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The Great Flood — Myth, Memory, or Something In Between?
#31
CSUN.EDU - 21 Reasons Noahs Flood Didn't Happen
Some geology information showing how there is no geological evidence of Noahs flood in 2348BC.


An 8 part series disproving Noahs Flood.
I found 7 of the 8  parts.
Can't argue with the science.
Well .. you can try ... but it won't fly.   

The best in this series .... 
How Archaeology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WbQkRx2_8

How Geology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeHmWapM4Y

How Paleontology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXNJvWkkoI

How Dendrochronology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEfj3LLNSY

How Meteorology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZtbZGtiGA

How Anthropology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BitwnxiPH34

How Mythology disproves Noahs Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrDTaHjg2IQ
#32
You know where i land on the subject mate.

To the ancients, a regional flood would have seemed to encompass the entire world.

Simply because their sense of the world was limited to what they could see and know.

But there is no archaeological or geological evidence of a global flood.

And not even the end of the Pleistocene epoch, ticks that box.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#33
Copied from the "Which Bible do you trust?" thread and edited for brevity:
(11-06-2025, 05:26 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: There was no genetic bottleneck 4000 years ago.

DNA diversity proves the Noahs flood story is wrong.  So does the fact that we all dont speak the same language and have the same God and the same culture. 

There is evidence that Europe lost 90% of its population and Proto-Indo-European became the basis of most of Europe's languages at about this time.

Moses or one of his scribes recorded the events of the Pentateuch many years after they happened.  The point of some of the accounts he included may have been forgotten by then.  

Suppose the great flood referred to the memory many cultures had of the great outbreak of bubonic plague which happened 5,000 years ago?

It is described in the PBS Nova show "The First Horse Warriors" starting at 36 minutes and 12 seconds.  

Suppose various people heard of the plague and decided to ride it out by building ships and sailing out to sea along with animals and food?  

Bubonic plague runs its course in a few days in any given patient.  It was probably possible even in those days to stay at sea for a year or so while the plague ran its course.  The point of bringing animals may have been forgotten before it was written down.

Perhaps there were enough small predators to keep the rat population down.  Perhaps far fewer people lived in big cities where there were a high concentration of plague carriers.  Perhaps in those climes the people  had a variety of flea-repellent plants to use, which they would have used regardless of not understanding how diseases spread.  

There is evidence of great cities with high technology existing before the plague is thought to have happened.  Many people might have still lived close to the coastlines because white skin is only thought to have mutated into existence in one individual who lived somewhere between modern Israel and India around 9000 years ago.  Europe and the Middle East were wetter and cloudier then, and cultures may not have become independent of the need for extra vitamin D, or perhaps were still living their traditional way despite being able to make enough vitamin D in their skin. This points to the possibility of being knowledgeable of sailing enough to ride out an epidemic at sea.
#34
Just from a biological view, there's no way Noah had 2 of each animal. There is estimated to be 6.5 million species on Earth.

You're gonna need a bigger boat.
#35
(11-09-2025, 09:01 AM)David64 Wrote: Just from a biological view, there's no way Noah had 2 of each animal. There is estimated to be 6.5 million species on Earth.

You're gonna need a bigger boat.

There are 350,000 known species of beetles alone.   Each of those species would have to have a male and female representative on the boat.   AND food for them all for a year.  AND water for them all for a year.   

The 'kinds' argument doesn't work.   One pair of beetles doesn't evolve into 350,000 species of beetles upon leaving the ark.
#36
(11-09-2025, 09:01 AM)David64 Wrote: Just from a biological view, there's no way Noah had 2 of each animal. There is estimated to be 6.5 million species on Earth.

You're gonna need a bigger boat.

Additionally, if there were only two of each animal, what did the predators eat? 

The story simply falls apart under a logical microscope.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#37
(11-09-2025, 09:57 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Additionally, if there were only two of each animal, what did the predators eat? 

The story simply falls apart under a logical microscope.


The events happened long before they were written down in secondhand accounts.  The point of bringing animals and putting to sea for a year may have been lost.
#38
(11-09-2025, 10:31 AM)Solvedit Wrote: The events happened long before they were written down in secondhand accounts.  The point of bringing animals and putting to sea for a year may have been lost.

Hence, the accounts are fraught with errors and inconsistencies. 

It's like a cosmic game of "telephone."
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#39
(11-09-2025, 10:46 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Hence, the accounts are fraught with errors and inconsistencies. 

It's like a cosmic game of "telephone."

Then again there is the clear genetic evidence that Europe lost 90% of its population 5000 years ago and a new language spread throughout Europe and West Asia, which forms the basis of most of Europe's languages today.  

The reason people put to sea for a year with a boatload of animals may have been lost.
#40
(11-09-2025, 11:25 AM)Solvedit Wrote: a new language spread throughout Europe and West Asia,

 If Noahs story was true, then everyone on the planet would be speaking Noahs language ... most likely Sumerian.   If Noahs story was true, then everyone on the planet would be worshipping Noahs god ... Yahweh (who was a tribal god of the Canannites and a son of EL and brother to BAAL).   

But we aren't.   So more evidence that the flood, as told by the bible, didn't happen.