The Debate Forum

[Truthhurts]

[Maxmars]

I would be interested in a debate.

But I think that the regurgitation of pithy slogans does not qualify as debate.

That being the case I will begin the process of rounding up topics for an
all call for debate....

It can be difficult for those trapped in the news cycle to choose....

Pith and mirth can be essential tools of debate...
But like any medium, lay it on too heavy and your message gets lost.

Assuming you have one. 


Start thinking about debate topics to suggest....

They almost never survive unscathed... nothing personal...
If you don't phrase the proposition properly... the debate is often over before it starts....

But I have been flabbergasted when a debater manages anyway...

[chr0naut]

That being the case I will begin the process of rounding up topics for an
all call for debate....

It can be difficult for those trapped in the news cycle to choose....

Pith and mirth can be essential tools of debate...
But like any medium, lay it on too heavy and your message gets lost.

Assuming you have one. 

Start thinking about debate topics to suggest....

They almost never survive unscathed... nothing personal...
If you don't phrase the proposition properly... the debate is often over before it starts....

But I have been flabbergasted when a debater manages anyway...

How about a debate on if tariffs above 10% have negative effects upon trade that reflect as damage to the economy in the short term, and also actually establishes pricing structures that have to be maintained for the 'new' industries to remain commercially viable, creating industries that just cant compete on their own and so they need to be constantly propped up by the state, to a high degree, becoming an ongoing nanny-state drain on the economy?

[Maxmars]

How about a debate on if tariffs above 10% have negative effects upon trade that reflect as damage to the economy in the short term, and also actually establishes pricing structures that have to be maintained for the 'new' industries to remain commercially viable, creating industries that just cant compete on their own and so they need to be constantly propped up by the state, to a high degree, becoming an ongoing nanny-state drain on the economy?

OK... I understand... and herein we revisit the "proposition" idea for a debate.

Yours' can't really translate as a title... a hint that it is not yet refined.

Your suggestion speaks of a current "hot" topic.  Meaning there will be a lot of "media product" to draw from.  This might not be a good thing... unless you constrain the topic somehow... it will become a 'media mirror.'  Like arguing that xxx celebrity is this or that.... all you can draw from is the muck collection of media-produced content.  Again... as long as you can cope with the bizarre and twisted world of "social reporting" it's all good.

How about:  "Tariffs exceeding 10% are damaging the economy".... as a starting point?

[Moon68]

No fecxking AI used. Debate the person on the topic not Chat GPT

[SurferSoul]

What the hell is a fighter maxmars? Is it like being a veteran? I thought there were just lots of ex military types on these forums, not that it had something to do with what boards you can post in. 

Also why can’t I quote you in this thread? Another thing online definitions have been messed with in recent years. Facism means government in bed with corporations to the point where they both effectively run the country hand in hand. Like many ideology’s and ism’s there is much crossover, but Facism is simply the above. China although it claims to be communist is clearly facist these days at least.

[Maxmars]

A Deny Ignorance "Fighter" is not a 'badge' of virtue...
it's more like a flavor of membership... chosen by trial... so to speak.

"Can you actually debate, or are you just a shit-talker?" is a base question to non-fighters.
"Can you actually make a point, or just jiggle and shimmy around it?"
"Is everything with you a characterization of a reaction shot?"
"What do you actually bring to this discussion, other than your disdain or support of an idea?"

Most long ago recognized that there's a difference between supporting a cause, and understanding one.
Here, just like anywhere else, people can cheer and jeer, play along with media memery, and generally talk loud and long and actually say, pretty much nothing.

I often see people trying their hand at debating in that environment... it is a poor crucible for reason.

Debaters consent to restrictions ... and challenge themselves to make an argument without the frippery and theater which never actually adds to the point... only flavors it (they still "use" the words sometimes.) 

Debaters contend with the strength of their narratives, and the weaknesses of others... the are not bound to "prove" anything, instead to make their case as well as they can, while pointing the errors, oversights, and misstatements of their opponents.

It's a battle between two members (or teams,) no cheering,  no jeering... unless you bring your own.
(It can feel so rewarding to simply reason with someone who isn't firing off nonsense in all directions...)

So, "Fighter" was always meant as a designation indicating that the member is a debater...
DI offers fighters a place to spontaneously set up debates... they already KNOW the rules...
Thus allowing them to create debates independently, within the forum... is a big win for everyone.

To be a fighter you must fight.

The floor is always open for a debate while I'm around.

I will help to get it underway... assuming that it is welcomed.

I'm only directly involved in the "new fighter" debates by definition.
Otherwise I only appear where invited in there.
Unless I have to be a Moderator in effect... which  does happen.

We debate here every day... unlike other places unmentioned... where they just yell at each other all day long, or echo their consensus against every wall they see.

Some people don't debate, not because they don't want to, but because they can't imagine what that even means... they think YouTube, Television, and 'theatrical' representations... all media productions

"Productions" are not debates... they are productions... 

I suspect we will see some good debates here.... very soon.

[Unknownparadox]

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Life is not fair.
Never has been, never will be.
Get over it.

That's true. Life isn't fair, but people can be. But usually aren't.

[UltraBudgie]

More importantly, why is the Debate Forum logo a bar of soap? For anyone here who isn't grey yet, I think it's a reference to the old movie "Fight Club", which is about the struggle and explosive dissociation of repressed homosexuality. Seems an odd choice.

[sahgwa]

More importantly, why is the Debate Forum logo a bar of soap? For anyone here who isn't grey yet, I think it's a reference to the old movie "Fight Club", which is about the struggle and explosive dissociation of repressed homosexuality. Seems an odd choice.

ROFL 
Fight Club is anti-system and anti-commercialism.

I see your point there but that's not really the theme IMO
:D