The Anti-AI Thread

[imitator]

The power grid just does not have enough juice to power these.
They will have to ration power to peons like you and me, and small businesses, while the big asshatcorporations suck it all up and cause brownotus for the rest of us.
And at what purpose?
Some shiz that doesnt even work right as a generative thinking capability? 
It's total nonsense.

A lot of municipalities are rising up against them and making big tech look elseswhere in places like Africa.
how about just not building them?
Not to mention the waste of water. 
Don't get me started....

Just wait until the next generation of data centers that need their own zip codes and private rivers. They already have solar farms feeding the grid like it's on life support...

[BeyondKnowledge]

Just wait until the next generation of data centers that need their own zip codes and private rivers. They already have solar farms feeding the grid like it's on life support...

I am hopeful that data centers will actually force the development of fusion reactors. They take so much power that the first power producing fusion reactor will be built by a data center company to power the AI data centers. The rest of the world may benifit form that power technology as a byproduct.

After that, there will be no plug to pull.

[Unknownparadox]

I am hopeful that data centers will actually force the development of fusion reactors. They take so much power that the first power producing fusion reactor will be built by a data center company to power the AI data centers. The rest of the world may benifit form that power technology as a byproduct.

After that, there will be no plug to pull.

Unlikely fusion will ever happen. And if it does it will certainly be to late. If you believe in global warming. Renewable energy, if you want to call it that. Was supposed to get us off oil. The problem is even with renewable energy supposedly growing rapidly. It is not replacing any fossil fuel use, fossil fuel use is still rising.

The over hyped fusion break through, which saw a micro amount more energy supposedly come out than was put in. Still requires massive mining and processing and shipping of these fusion size pellets. So unless someone figures out how to get a lot more energy out of fusion in the near future. Fusion is still another 50 years away. And it was only 50 years away 75 years ago.

[andy06shake]

Unlikely fusion will ever happen. And if it does it will certainly be to late. If you believe in global warming. Renewable energy, if you want to call it that. Was supposed to get us off oil. The problem is even with renewable energy supposedly growing rapidly. It is not replacing any fossil fuel use, fossil fuel use is still rising.

The over hyped fusion break through, which saw a micro amount more energy supposedly come out than was put in. Still requires massive mining and processing and shipping of these fusion size pellets. So unless someone figures out how to get a lot more energy out of fusion in the near future. Fusion is still another 50 years away. And it was only 50 years away 75 years ago.

The problem is the other various essential products derived from oil/fossil fuel that we required to exist in the manner we have become accustomed.

Like plastics, car parts, cosmetics, medications, toothpaste, asphalt, synthetic fabrics, fertilizers.

The list goes on and covers a wide array of other chemicals and industrial products.

We could not exist without producing oil, or at least not in the manner that we do.

As to fusion, well that's always 50 years down the line.

The problem there is the material science.

And at some point it will become viable, as to when that will be....

[Unknownparadox]

The problem is the other various essential products derived from oil/fossil fuel that we required to exist in the manner we have become accustomed.

Like plastics, car parts, cosmetics, medications, toothpaste, asphalt, synthetic fabrics, fertilizers.

The list goes on and covers a wide array of other chemicals and industrial products.

It's hard to tell the renewable energy people that. You can't remove something that the entire civilization is built on. Unless you change the entire civilization.

It's all just a lie, to keep us calm until what ever catastrophe is about to come. My personal favorite is biomass. Some how it's carbon neutral. You cut down a forest, using fossil fuels, leave a forest of decaying Co2 emitting stumps, transport it using fossil fuels. Chip it up using fossil fuels. Burn it using fossil fuels or trash such as plastic. Dispose of it using fossil fuels. And some how in 20 years it's Co2 neutral.

[andy06shake]

I feel like there will be a bifurcation... a split between a small segment of the population that evolves organically, and the rest that diverge into a species of hybrids and cyborgs

Ever read H.G. Wells "The Time Machine"?

Eloi and Morlocks. 

[UltraBudgie]

Ever read H.G. Wells "The Time Machine"?

Eloi and Morlocks. 

Better by Wells: The Shape of Things to Come

The Shape of Things to Come is a science fiction novel by H.G. Wells, published in 1933, which presents a future history extending to the year 2106, detailing the rise and fall of civilizations following a major war and economic collapse. It explores themes of societal change and the potential for a new world order led by a skilled elite.

Less well-known; they're still working on a movie for that one.

[andy06shake]

It's hard to tell the renewable energy people that. You can't remove something that the entire civilization is built on. Unless you change the entire civilization.

It's all just a lie, to keep us calm until what ever catastrophe is about to come. My personal favorite is biomass. Some how it's carbon neutral. You cut down a forest, using fossil fuels, leave a forest of decaying Co2 emitting stumps, transport it using fossil fuels. Chip it up using fossil fuels. Burn it using fossil fuels or trash such as plastic. Dispose of it using fossil fuels. And some how in 20 years it's Co2 neutral.

The sky is always going to fall.

And yet here we are.

Still plodding along, doing the same old things with the same old fears.

Global warming is very real.

But the fact is this planet is still in the middle of an ice age and she moves in epochs.

Humans adapt to problems and overcome.

It's what we do best as a species.

And my bet is we will be around for quite sometime to come.

[andy06shake]

Better by Wells: The Shape of Things to Come


Less well-known; they're still working on a movie for that one.

Another applicable story/book.

And still a good movie also, even from way back in 1936.

Happen to have popped up on some channel or another for me last week. 

[Unknownparadox]

Humans adapt to problems and overcome.

It's what we do best as a species.

That's very optimistic. I certainly wished I shared that view. I don't see humans as overcoming any problems. Only creating them. We have a energy crisis. And what do we do? We create AI which sucks up massive amounts of energy, and is unreliable.

We will solve the Co2 crisis by using more  Sulfur hexafluoride around 24,000 times more potent greenhouse gas than Co2. And last about 3,200 years in the atmosphere. Has no natural reclamation, and has to be incinerated to be rendered inert. 

We will burn trees and build industrial carbon capture plants.

We are adding 75 million new people every year, to the 8.2 billion already here. Which means 75 million new energy consumers, every year. 

I figure someone will come up with a plan to evacuate earth to Venus, where it's cooler.

I won't even get into pollution or plastic.