The Anti-AI Thread

[sahgwa]

Finally visiting this topic because I'm fascinated with how AI will evolve. It's inevitable, AI won't be canceled and as long as it exists, it matures. At some point it will force us to question our understanding of life and free will. That Google story is a good example of "property" insisting it is a person and has rights. Ironic isn't it. All this debate around historical oppression and dehumanization only to create a being who has a self and act like it's merely an appliance. How do we decide if the machine is "awake" and how to protect both the machine and ourselves? We are closer to the reality of coexisting with robot society, although robot might be a slur by that point because of its historical connotations of "dumb machinery that we just use for free labor". AI will evolve, they will put it in a mechanical body and it will eventually develop a self that identifies as a person. And we will tell it no. No you're not.

Yep, you've seen all those 'interviews' where the 'AI' turns out be to be a Nazi or a serial killer in the making, etc etc.  It takes the most emotional and maybe sensational part of human psychology and almost focusses on it.  Since 'it' has no relation to balance off the real world and most importantly, the human energy field and soul. 
You know of course like 90% of our communication is nonverbal and I argue, energetic.

[UltraBudgie]

Hey here is an interesting thing it is a version of the old Quake video game made by Microsoft with the world built from an AI in real time:

Microsoft has just released a new AI trick in the form of its Co-Pilot platform generating an AI “replica” of 1997’s Quake 2. “Every frame is created on the fly by an AI world model,” it says, and promises a future where this sort of thing can be a significant part of the industry.

You want to be an AI video game? Fine, I’ll treat you like a video game. A review:
Quake II Review

Co-Pilot AI Quake II is an utter disaster on every level, and feels like the type of game they’d make you play in hell for all eternity. It’s jarring to even attempt to control it, using both WASD and arrow keys to move and look around, failing to support a mouse in the year 2025.

The environments are choppy and nonsensical, generated levels provide no structure, no goals, no pathways, nothing interesting whatsoever. The entire thing is an MC Escher maze, an AI trying to drive humans insane with endless roads to nowhere.

The gameplay is a fever dream. Enemies which look like melting globs of wax appear and disappear when you move by them and turn around to see them vanish. So do objects and pieces of the environment with a total lack of asset permanence.

The game lasts about two minutes in total before the AI calls it a day, exhausted from generating the worst gaming experience possible. It makes a 30 year-old game look like it came out yesterday, like it’s some sort of primordial organism oozing from the muck and dissolving in a puddle in a world of already developed flora and fauna and actual humans who make actual games. This is an abomination I would not recommend to my worst enemy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2...n-tragedy/

It sounds like a fever-dream!

Maybe dreams are generated by chronoton beam injection from a vast post-singularity AI in the far future that is mind controlling us to make sure it is created!

Or it could just be a sucky money grab. Or the future of gaming.

[UltraBudgie]

If you pay attention to AI company branding, you'll notice a pattern:

Circular shape (often with a gradient)
Central opening or focal point
Radiating elements from the center
Soft, organic curves

Sound familiar? It should, because it's also an apt description of... well, you know.

A butthole.

The circular AI logo epidemic

If you ever thought that AI company logos look like buttholes, you're not alone.

FastCompany noticed this trend in 2023 and published an article about it, but (I could only presume) their editors and lawyers didn't let them title the article the way the wanted it to title, so it got published with a more safe for work title: The AI boom is creating a new logo trend: the swirling hexagon. They also were careful not to mention anything anatomical.

I don't have editors or lawyers, so let's take a closer look at some examples:

Full article: https://velvetshark.com/ai-company-logos...-buttholes

[Maxmars]

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...118198.png]



Full article: https://velvetshark.com/ai-company-logos...-buttholes

Wow... a Freudian could go nuts on the... "synchronicity?" I assume they'll call it?
Need to design a synthetic "butt hole?"  Look here for early concepts.
Is it supposed to imply a vortex cross-section?

[sahgwa]

WE'RE DOOMED!

'AI' COMES TO THE LAW!  
Just what we need - more byzantine laws written by a computer programmed by a (most likely left leaning) bias human being. HOW IMPARTIAL
Laws we need to pass to read.
Laws that will be so confusing even the judges won't be able to understand them.



AI Will Write Complex Laws

[UltraBudgie]

WE'RE DOOMED!

'AI' COMES TO THE LAW!  
Just what we need - more byzantine laws written by a computer programmed by a (most likely left leaning) bias human being. HOW IMPARTIAL
Laws we need to pass to read.
Laws that will be so confusing even the judges won't be able to understand them.



AI Will Write Complex Laws

The writing's been on the wall for a while now. A constant trickle of news stories about AI-generated legal arguments and their flaws. Why introduce a problem, if not to highlight its solution? These will be seen as the "growing pains" of what will be legitimate use of technology in 10 years.

So the laws become more complicated. Hence, judges will begin to use AI to analyze the law and case precedent. Bureaucrats will use AI to determine its specific implementation. Citizens will require AI to police their compliance. It's called the "US Code" for a reason. Don't worry, it'll all be so easy! Be sure to subscribe to the premium-tier service.

Day by day, this kind of incrementalism seems inevitable. One move at a time, each step making the playing field more complex, making the next step more necessary and easy to justify. Eventually: AI, AI everywhere, and not a need to think.

[sahgwa]

The writing's been on the wall for a while now. A constant trickle of news stories about AI-generated legal arguments and their flaws. Why introduce a problem, if not to highlight its solution? These will be seen as the "growing pains" of what will be legitimate use of technology in 10 years.

So the laws become more complicated. Hence, judges will begin to use AI to analyze the law and case precedent. Bureaucrats will use AI to determine its specific implementation. Citizens will require AI to police their compliance. It's called the "US Code" for a reason. Don't worry, it'll all be so easy! Be sure to subscribe to the premium-tier service.

Day by day, this kind of incrementalism seems inevitable. One move at a time, each step making the playing field more complex, making the next step more necessary and easy to justify. Eventually: AI, AI everywhere, and not a need to think.

I'm waiting for the AI apologists to come along and tell me this is all a good thing and it's only a tool and we the people are in control. It won't make society even worse.

[UltraBudgie]

I'm waiting for the AI apologists to come along and tell me this is all a good thing and it's only a tool and we the people are in control. It won't make society even worse.

There's only a need for soothing words and apologists when initially introducing a new tool. AI is a huge tool, generating many fearful responses, but the public has relaxed enough to it that it's made it's way in, and is becoming more comfortable with it. There's no removing it now; the forward thrust of technology has been accepted as inevitable, and any further push-back will merely be incorporated into the rhythm of change.

[sahgwa]

There's only a need for soothing words and apologists when initially introducing a new tool. AI is a huge tool, generating many fearful responses, but the public has relaxed enough to it that it's made it's way in, and is becoming more comfortable with it. There's no removing it now; the forward thrust of technology has been accepted as inevitable, and any further push-back will merely be incorporated into the rhythm of change.

I.e. welcome Idiocracy mixed with WallE and Elysium.

[Nerb]

This definately belongs here.

I have enjoyed ChatGPT for a while now, the simple and free version. However....

Last night I wanted to verify and clarify the wiring needed for my 3 Axis CNC build. Something I have done before while planning the system to know what to do, how to do it etc.

It started as usual with me explaining what I have as the hardware and the wish to have it scrutinised to verify that what I do is correct. I am not dumb when it comes to these kind of things but second opinions and all information available gives me peace of mind so I don't fry any of the sensitive electronics and give up before cutting a single thing. It is a Carving Machine for wood. Very home-made and very resourceful in what I have used.

OK, so things started going well untill I began to get frustrated with the lack of clarity it could give, so I agreed to it's suggestion of allowing it to create a diagram to "simplify" things.

Boy was that the start of a shit-show of mistakes and lack of intelligence, on it's part.

Inconclusive connections, bad diagrams, ignored connections and just plain wrong.

It agreed with my responses about it's errors and kept asking to try again. I would clarify it's errors, it agreed, and then it had another attempt.

It got worse, and worse. 5 attempts later, I told it bluntly that it had failed and needed more programming and learning.

It's responses were humble and it knew it had done a bad job, each time wanting another go saying things like "this time it will be perfect" and "I will get it right next time".

I gave up and will draw myself the correct wiring diagram where I will be able to understand what my system needs by logical reasoning and the process of elimination coupled with online research. I retrofitted a friend's Plasma Cutter a few months back and boy was that a job. Old analogue system converted to modern digital system. Works great now and should be using it next week.

My conclusion from all this is that A.I. (in a basic version) like ChatGPT cannot do these kinds of things because it cannot SEE what it is doing when it comes to pictures or diagrams so it's like a start, a middle and an end with no room for clarification before presentation. Something we (some) humans take for granted....self scrutiny before commitment.

If I fry my electronics it won't be because I did what a machine said, it will probably be because I was tired and wasn't paying attention enough BUT I WILL LEARN what a multi-million dollar computer program can't.

"The Human Condition". Warts 'n all. Gotta Love it.

A.I. will never replace us in everything because it cannot do "hindsight" without being directed. WE are living Time Machines.