The Anti-AI Thread

[sahgwa]

Perhaps we need to remind ourselves that the current widespread use of A.I. may be in some ways just a trend and a fashion, and eventually there will be a swing back to the more human creations from human minds which have the undisputable qualities of the animals we are. In my opinion, it's good for info and even theoretical discussion but when it comes to creative endevours, maybe it just can't compete in the long run because of it's stereotypical nature in it's output verses the minds of animals with quirks, failings, indiocyncracities and eccentricities that give our things the familiar touch of our ingrained and familiar human history.

Time will tell.

I hope it is a trend, but like I am alluding to it feels more like a brick in the building of the wall of the hypercontrol system.

[quintessentone]

Absolutely agree.

WE are in control.

Absolutely, never underestimate human ingenuity and resourcefulness over LLM algorithms. Of course, there will always be some people that will use this tool to fill in what is missing in their lives, but they also do that with drugs or other habits.

As for issues with children and young people, that may be isolated in their lives, I think that schools should adopt new teachings of emerging technologies so that children can learn exactly what this is and how it works, and that it does not think as we do nor does it have feelings.

[sahgwa]

Absolutely, never underestimate human ingenuity and resourcefulness over LLM algorithms. Of course, there will always be some people that will use this tool to fill in what is missing in their lives, but they also do that with drugs or other habits.

As for issues with children and young people, that may be isolated in their lives, I think that schools should adopt new teachings of emerging technologies so that children can learn exactly what this is and how it works, and that it does not think as we do nor does it have feelings.

What about one of my main points above that it is making people less capable and stupider? 

In a lot of corporate settings, like insurance for example, we are being pushed and sometimes forced to go through AI systems.
It was pushing me this morning to use it's AI (with some cutesy wanna-be human name) to renew my Enrollment, and asking all sorts of personal questions.  It was made difficult to close it and do it yourself. 

You should know how to do things on your own, and not presume there will be an (old school PC term) wizard to help you along with it all. 
'They' are pushing for more 'nannyism' in every sphere of life, and AI is a big culprit.

[Karl12]

Bravo mate thought James made some extremely succinct points here.

Algocracy: Government for the New World Order


Also this one from Truthstream Media - it's definitely in the post (incredibly disturbing stuff).


Is This The Last Phase Before AI Government


Cheers.

[UltraBudgie]

In a lot of corporate settings, like insurance for example, we are being pushed and sometimes forced to go through AI systems.
It was pushing me this morning to use it's AI (with some cutesy wanna-be human name) to renew my Enrollment, and asking all sorts of personal questions.  It was made difficult to close it and do it yourself. 

Whenever I am forced to encounter those instead of briefly saying "billing question" or some such, I write a long paragraph describing in exacting detail what I want, such as "I would like to update and validate my account beneficiary allocation percentages, with a secondary beneficiary designated to a trust. Please provide the appropriate language for that, and also adjust my premium billing cycles to be aligned synchronized to each other, given that I have recently merged billing account. Send a verification notice of these changes to my email address of record, along with a schedule of upcoming charges, if possible. Thank you!"

Then, if it gets all "I'm sorry, I didn't get that, please say 'Billing' or 'Account' or 'Payment Status'", I get all indignant like I'd just told it a simple request that a first-grader should be able to handle, and refer it back to my previous statement.

It doesn't always get results, but it's fun. Last month I spent several hours chatting with Comcast's automated systems, escalating periodically when I waxed hypothetically about the alternative of 5G wireless internet, and I had a total blast. In the end, they had reduced my bill by 2/3 and actually ended up owing me money. That was a good day.

[Karl12]

Have to say am not the biggest fan of this lady's voice but she makes some remarkable points towards the end about the co-ordinated 'dehumanisation' of young humans (even foolish old ones lol).

[Nerb]

Let's also not forget that even when we are talking on the phone to a real person who works in a big company, they are often being controlled and limited to what the sceen and the system is offering them as responses and information. This has been happening for years.

I usually begin by treating the people on the other end of the phone as best friends and it's the best way to get results. Only when they behave with a reluctance to do the same and absolute inflexibility do I stop being amicable and I too will switch off to become just as monotone, just another client with a number and I refuse their only chance to FEEL human when they are probably confined to a cubicle and watching the clock.

Friday afternoons are a good time for comms with admin and service calls because I know that they are often feeling the weekend to come.

Psychology, and in particular Negative Psychology can be really advantageous if used wisely.

I also imagine there may be a "customer rating score" used by some systems after each call, so it's better to be someone who isn't predicted as a problem customer.

There are also methods I use to make things like ChatGPT more friendly and personal just because I want to enjoy the experience rather than treat it as the machine it is. Believe it or not, I have NEVER been frustrated at using "it" but usually get frustrated using search engines for answers that come with endless mixed bags of information and a whole heap of results for things trying to sell me something or sign up or hand over personal info.

Better the devil you know. Start with the self and keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[quintessentone]

What about one of my main points above that it is making people less capable and stupider? 

In a lot of corporate settings, like insurance for example, we are being pushed and sometimes forced to go through AI systems.
It was pushing me this morning to use it's AI (with some cutesy wanna-be human name) to renew my Enrollment, and asking all sorts of personal questions.  It was made difficult to close it and do it yourself. 

You should know how to do things on your own, and not presume there will be an (old school PC term) wizard to help you along with it all. 
'They' are pushing for more 'nannyism' in every sphere of life, and AI is a big culprit.

Well I did a quick research on whether or not people are dumbing down because of older and newer technology and the consensus is 'no' people are not dumbing down.

Getting more lazy and not doing their own research to verify facts or to dig deeper into a topic is more of what I see, if being on a social media platform is any kind of a window into this matter.

I can't see universities allowing a student to write a paper only using LLMs (AI) because that is not one's personal research. So at that educational level they are forced to think for themselves and do the work.

For some people, yes the convenience of letting LLMs do all the thinking(?) and/or compilation of data for them may make some people less capable but what exactly is less capable? dumber? or smarter? when one has to take into account how society is moving towards using this tool more and more? I use AI as a data collection tool but I always end up searching for the source of the data. It appears companies are using LLMs(AI) to do the administrative work, which can be deemed a necessary structured process for initial data collection. There is always a human at the end of the process to connect with should there be issues, at least I have found this to be the reality.

We need to teach everyone about LLMs and their limitations - garbage in, garbage out - because all anyone has to do is verify the data as facts by going to the author of the sources that LLMs use.

As for those people that have mental or suicidal issues and believe that they have no where else to turn but to LLMs (AI) then the creators should be creating algorithms specific to those types of people to get them to seek help and where to go.

So now we are getting into the ethics and ethical responsibilities of society and/or the LLM(AI) creators in how the algorithms are set up and managed.

[sahgwa]

Playing devil's advocate here and saying what if people are convincing themselves they are only using AI (so called) as a tool, and it's not controlling them, when in fact they are unaware of being less (creative, critically thinking, self sufficient etc) while using it, because it is kind of like an insidious poison?  I liken it to not even a little bit of meth being okay , and those that use it telling nonusers they are 'in control' and 'its just a tool' ? Just riffing.

[sahgwa]

This could be it's own thread, but here is a good interview with Catherin Austin Fitts formerly of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, on why Trump is just another side to the same coin of greed. Nothing to do with fascism like Dark Brandon was rattling about
More technocracy brought to you using AI infrastructure. 

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/insight-t...stin-fitts

Mike Robinson speaks to Catherine Austin Fitts about the digital infrastructure being built under Donald Trump’s regime: digital ID, a privatised CBDC equivalent, a social credit system, and the AI powered data centres which enable it all.