The 13 biggest SCIENCE LIES you've been told all of your life.

[Rigel4]

If the Bro thinks the earth is flat , then there is no need to watch any of his other beliefs .. lol

[Maxmars]

I have an excuse for all of us when it comes to things being said to be "lies"...

We have been listening and watching media for generations... implicitly believing their words...

then came "Journalism science" and "journalism news" and all of a sudden... well, here we are...
Science doesn't "lie" --- scientists and their mouth pieces might.

We simple believe media when they "tell us things" while 'entertaining' us...

Science "News" takes the form of thesis or report of experimentation... not a "story" about a document.

Ever read science news lately?  Notice anything about being told what the data means? 
There's a lot of "other things" than 'the science' in there... a lot.

[quintessentone]

Should have expanded to larger trials, also should be grounding while wearing thos, preferably laid in a field with horses sniffing at you and the sent of pine trees. 

But then how would we know it was the placebo effect and not the forest bathing inhalation of magical forest things?

[UltraBudgie]

If the Bro thinks the earth is flat , then there is no need to watch any of his other beliefs .. lol

Yeah, FE is a great shackle-dropper. You can say anything.

You could be like "I believe lizard people have subverted our society and are mind controlling the world population from a series of hidden bunkers located along the circumference of the rim" and people will be like "wait wut you think the earth is flat??"

Then you get in to a nice discussion about how it's all just models and all we can do is pick the one that is most useful in consistently explaining what can be observed.

[Halfswede]

I watched the video and my takeaway is that more and/or different approaches to research are needed, such as with turmeric's effectiveness, such as adding black pepper with turmeric which is reported to boost Turmeric's effectiveness by 2000%. Is it then effective in protecting cells from cancer when turmeric's effectiveness is boosted by 2000%?

In other words, the studies need to be scrutinized to determine if the methodology was expansive and/or inclusive enough to take into account other contributing or complimentary factors, such as I mentioned above, turmeric alone vs. turmeric with black pepper. 

As for the other science points, well those points require separate threads all their own.

This is a huge point.  The substances of herbal or alternative medicine have been tossed around and sold like candy through 'health supplement store', but the prescription and application have been almost entirely lost or ignored in the process.

Many things from places like true traditional Chinese medicine (not what it is today), indigenous cultures, etc. had very specific and sometimes lengthy processes to get the 'medicine' into the form where it was effective. Age, time of year, key helping agents.

In most modern attempts to study those things, they just did things like 'consume 20 mg /day', or extracted a single substance out of a complex plant profile, did no traditional preparation and declared 'nothing of note'.

[quintessentone]

This is a huge point.  The substances of herbal or alternative medicine have been tossed around and sold like candy through 'health supplement store', but the prescription and application have been almost entirely lost or ignored in the process.

Many things from places like true traditional Chinese medicine (not what it is today), indigenous cultures, etc. had very specific and sometimes lengthy processes to get the 'medicine' into the form where it was effective. Age, time of year, key helping agents.

In most modern attempts to study those things, they just did things like 'consume 20 mg /day', or extracted a single substance out of a complex plant profile, did no traditional preparation and declared 'nothing of note'.

That's interesting you bring up traditional medicines because I just read where the modern studies on Chinese medicine is turning up results pointing to ineffectiveness, whereas for 1,000 years people used these medicines/concoctions and seemingly reported success. There is something not right going on here and you are probably right, in that, it having to do with 'not getting it right' or the art/knowledge or some of it has been lost.

I studied a little bit of North American indigenous medicine, and there is a good reason why they had medicine men/women handling every aspect of it. They were taught from a young age in all aspects of this art/knowledge including the spiritual healing aspects. Mind, body and soul all work together for health or sickness.

One thing that was poignant with learning about indigenous preparations and applications of medicine was the preparation, dosage and length of time taking it. This knowledge is vital to get the results intended, but since we are all of different sizes, shapes, constitutions etc. that's why the medicine man/woman needed to know how to tweak the treatment to the desired effect by observation and passed down knowledge.

Quite a while ago, I went through a phase of self-medication using purported herbal remedies and supplements, which if I studied many different sources and found a meeting of the minds on preparation, dosage etc. I would follow it but tweak it for what I considered right for me. Some worked, some did not. I still use some herbal remedies or my own concoctions for certain things to this day, such as brewing rosemary, oregano and sage into a tea when I feel congestion in my chest. It may be the placebo effect, but I doubt if after reading what these herbs contain.

That's the same thing I read about preparing ayahausca and preparing yourself for the journey, if you don't prepare it traditionally or prepare yourself properly, it will not give the desired effects.

"Preparing for ayahuasca involves a combination of dietary, emotional, and mental practices to ensure a safe and transformative experience. Here are some key steps to consider:

• Dietary Preparation: Follow a specific dieta that includes light, natural foods and avoids processed, animal products, spicy foods, and fermented foods. Most facilitators recommend following the dieta for 7-14 days before the ceremony to purify the body and mind. 
  
  
• Mental Preparation: Engage in activities like meditation, journaling, or yoga to calm your mind and connect with your inner self. Ask yourself what you hope to gain from the experience and set clear intentions to guide your journey. 
  
  
• Emotional Preparation: Reflect on your purpose and what areas of your life or emotions you want to explore. This deep reflection can enhance self-awareness and personal growth. 
  
  
• Behavioral Preparation: Avoid behaviors that may hinder your progress, such as excessive use of alcohol, caffeine, and other contraindicated medications. This can help you dissolve barriers and allow for deeper self-discovery and transformation. 
  
  By following these steps, you can create a strong foundation for healing, self-discovery, and connection with the spirit of the medicine. Remember, the preparation process is crucial for a safe and meaningful ayahuasca experience."
  

I have gone off in tangents, which is how my mind operates when connecting complex points which actually relate to one another.

Anyway, is science lying or have they just gone 'off track'.

[Halfswede]

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Anyway, is science lying or have they just gone 'off track'.

Yes

[quintessentone]

Yes

You mean 'off track', right?

Edit to add:

Speaking of going off track the video below addresses the problems 75% of the top researchers of the USA are facing and who are choosing to leave to other countries to do the science/research they want to do, or feel needs to be done. So in the future, I'll be looking for newer scientific sources worldwide and not from the USA.




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Crossing the line.

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[LightAngel]

We have always been lied to, in the mid-20th century tobacco companies falsely claimed smoking was healthy, and they used doctors in ads!

Maybe I will post another topic about it.

[SurferSoul]

We have always been lied to, in the mid-20th century tobacco companies falsely claimed smoking was healthy, and they used doctors in ads!

Maybe I will post another topic about it.

I’ll add to that planned obsolescence, we get told we have to consume less and recycle properly, meanwhile most of the products we buy are actually designed to fail well before their useful lifespan. Also so technology is drip fed as with smart phones so we keep buying the latest version when it was actually ready for production long before its release. 

I remember hearing about a lightbulb that never burned out, running ror over a 100 years… can’t validate that one but I wouldn’t be surprised.