Switzerland hates Trump

[andy06shake]

Eh? Immigrants? It's all eveveryone's talking about right now but............ I never mentioned them once. Where I mentioned the wall coming down I'm talking about local factories moving OVERSEAS to eastern Europe. Not immigrants coming here! We lost our wage advantage as soon as those Commie nations were admitted into the EU. The local Japanese and German plants started moving lines out there as soon as possible. 

I still stick to the fact that Britain in 1990 was just a superior place to that of 1979. There is no comparison and I really feel for the people who feel like they were treatd very badly by Maggie, yet it was merely another turn in their ancient bloodlines. I put it to you that their time, in those northern cities had come to an end. Those people, were largely of immigrant stock from the early Victorian times onwards. The northern cities had drawn in immgrants from the continent Hugenourts bringing their skills from Dutch, france, north of Germany, I know your family came in a similar manner from Ireland I'm guessing to further themselfs economically in the lands of Scotland newly industrialising, the new towns of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheefield, Storckport, Bradford population similarly brought in these peoples from the Celtic nation of Ireland, Wales, Scotland to man the new industrial revolution. This may be unpopular yet it might just be the situation, that with the end of those new industries, it is time once again for these northern folk of Celtic descent to pack their bags, get out the map, then look for a new location where the jobs have moved to / or opportunities now exists. 

It does sound a little harsh, yet I've got lots of friends and family members who have moved for this reason. My own family, well part of it was from Durham, yet before that they would be from the Munster zone in Ireland. When the pits ended in Easington they were forced to move. It was stay and fall apart, or take the bull by the horns, get on your bike and go find a better place with more opportunities. One has to move on when things fall apart. That's why places like the States or Aus exists. One has to move on. It sounds harsh but those communities were no longer necessary. You can't keep throwing money at places like Easington when the very reason for the existence is gone. The truth is there. It was over for these places. The world had moved on. To blame Maggie is rediculous. It's like blaming Gladstone for the end of mass employment on the farms with the introduction of steam powered tractors. It's rediculous. The world had changed.

I think you're mixing up two different arguments here.

Nobody is saying industries don't change or that people have never moved for work.

Of course they have.

That's exactly why people move to new areas.

We all watched "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet." 

The problem is that you're treating what happened as some force of nature that nobody could influence.

It wasn't.

Political decisions were made...and those decisions had serious consequences.

Consequences for a lot of hardworking, highly skilled people who were simply no longer required.

Can you imagine how that must have felt to men 30 years into a trade?

Sorry, you are no longer required.

Don't worry, you can always become a computer programmer.  

And if moving away was such an easy answer, why do we still have successful towns and cities built around industries that did change?

The issue wasn't that coal was declining, it was how quickly communities were left without alternatives.

Telling people to "get on your bike" sounds fine if you're young, healthy and have opportunities elsewhere.

Completely different story if your entire town loses its purpose almost overnight.

And saying those communities were "no longer necessary", Jesus man thats rather crass...

You're talking about people's families, their entire history, culture, and social networks, that stretch back to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution, probably even longer...

The jobs may have gone.

But that doesn't mean the people become disposable.

[BeTheGoddess]

You know the ones surely. A rook of Slavs, Hungary, those fake Baltic states. Throw i the albanians yet i can't remember them be a threat to our industrial base as the others were in 1998

Tito was a great man and the world should have pay attention to how he kept peace.

[Orby]

And saying those communities were "no longer necessary", Jesus man thats rather crass...

You're talking about people's families, their entire history, culture, and social networks, that stretch back to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution, probably even longer...

The jobs may have gone.

But that doesn't mean the people become disposable.

Yet its true. Many communities were grown around their centre of work. Take away that mine or weaving plant and its game over. It's not maggie's fault. It's the capitalist syatem. I have no idea what the answer is either. All those twons and cities developed in Victorias time. i have no idea. Yet if the job is gone surely its time to move on. I know where your coming from on some being able to, other not. Very tricky situation for the people. I have no idea what the answer is, bar moving on. Yet if its impossible to move on and do understand that. I have no idea.

[Orby]

Tito was a great man and the world should have pay attention to how he kept peace.

Yeah see where your coming from. Did magic keeping the Yugoslavs getting it on. A magician for sure. Maybe we need a clone or two of Tito creating. and his cars, Zaztava. Really like the sport model in the late 80's in white,  genuine Balkan designs

[BeTheGoddess]

Yeah see where your coming from. Did magic keeping the Yugoslavs getting it on. A magician for sure. Maybe we need a clone or two of Tito creating. and his cars, Zaztava. Really like the sport model in the late 80's in white,  genuine Balkan designs

You Ustaše are so easy to bait.

[Orby]

You Ustaše are so easy to bait.

I have no idea yet from memory they were the Croatains whomin with the Nazis.

[putnam6]

Gasoline, oil futures, and egg prices currently....










 

[RazorV66]

Gasoline and egg prices currently....


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Who can't afford those prices?

[putnam6]

Who can't afford those prices?

We use gallons of gasoline and eat eggs every day, it's been a helluva lot worse, even before COVID bullshit.

[RazorV66]

We use gallons of gasoline and eat eggs every day, it's been a helluva lot worse, even before COVID bullshit.

Yep.....100%