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[Orby]

Just more selective facts and stereotypes, Orby.
 
The 1980s didn't just "save" the UK.

Some places did well, places like London, but the factory and mining towns lost huge numbers of jobs and never recovered all up and down the isle. 

They did not get their pride back, if anything, quite the opposite.  

And unemployment was very high for a long time because of the horrendous policies Thatcher chose to implement.

The Falklands was a military win, not proof that the economy was fixed or anything representative of the sort.

A lucky win at that in a lot of respects, but our boys did the job with the tools made available, which were sparse, destroyed before they arrived, or incomplete.

And i think you may find a lot of the "better 90s" stuff came from wider global changes, as well as a change in government...

I seem to recall a certain wall coming down, the collapse of the Soviet regime.

People being able to live for the first time, in a long time, without the constant threat of nuclear annihilation being above their heads.

If anything the wall coming down was a death sentence for many of Maggie's achievements in industry. Expanding the EU and letting in all those Commie states with their pocerty specs wages meant alot of those japanese and German transplants left our shores as the millenium rolled up. It's just changing times. But those really old indusrties like cotton weaving, mining, big style steel producers castinjgs, those industries were already on the way out with the end of Empire. Guaranteed markets with natives for ced to take the wares of the north disappeared, in many ways those industries were all fake, they couldn't compete in the real world post Empire hence they disappeared.You can't keep subsidising every industry with the other half of the population paying for it through their taxes, it's so similar to now where those ex workers are benefits recipients and swinging the lead with the new bad back excuse, 'anxiety.' Lol what a bbunch of cok suckers, anxiety is when your miles down on the coal face under the north sea or losing limbs in textile machinery. The youth is just a waste of time, anxiety? Lol, they are just unbelievable. 

I'm all for those industries surviving mate I used to be involved with the textiles in Lancs region but they just couldn't compete. Wonderful places where life happened, proper buzzing with energy. Workers who may complained at times, yet had a reason for being and getting up in the morning and kept them away from having idle hands and getting involved with fringe groups like the black shirt young lads far right as seen in Belfast etc. Maybe the factories will come back one day with advanced robotics and AI. Who knows. Yet Maggie was right to let them collapse as the other half of the population couldn't subsidise them anymore. It's crazy. If we are to exist in a world of free trade then we must operate in one. There's no other way.

I lived through tat period, holy smoke the late 70's were grim beyond belief, strikes, no lights, doom and gloom, no feeling that you could break out your gived position in life. Maggie came along and all that ended. Opportunities arose as we moved on from the 70's, new light industries developed, the City did well and that fed through to developments in the periphery and further afield. White van man was doing pretty well. If you got off your backside in that era, you could do something with your life. Trades flourished. Then Maggie free millions from being slaves to landlords. she gave the average man in the street the right to buy their own house, something that will be looked back as one of the wonders of the last century up there with womens emancipation. Suddenly you could become owner of your own home. That elevated so many people at the time, it gave them a spur that if you worked hard and were in some ways lucky in the work field, could elevate oneself into another world. The lady was the greatest person in my lifetime. The freak shows we get now as leaders are joke stuff in comparison. I have a picture of Maggie by the stairs. When I get a little down or fed up with work or the news, etc, I take a look at her and get a feeling of positivity, a 'you can do it' mind set, a state of 'we're gonna win again, we're gonna win again' and the day just gets better and better. Her spirit lives on.

[andy06shake]

If anything the wall coming down was a death sentence for many of Maggie's achievements in industry. Expanding the EU and letting in all those Commie states with their pocerty specs wages meant alot of those japanese and German transplants left our shores as the millenium rolled up. It's just changing times. But those really old indusrties like cotton weaving, mining, big style steel producers castinjgs, those industries were already on the way out with the end of Empire. Guaranteed markets with natives for ced to take the wares of the north disappeared, in many ways those industries were all fake, they couldn't compete in the real world post Empire hence they disappeared.You can't keep subsidising every industry with the other half of the population paying for it through their taxes, it's so similar to now where those ex workers are benefits recipients and swinging the lead with the new bad back excuse, 'anxiety.' Lol what a bbunch of cok suckers, anxiety is when your miles down on the coal face under the north sea or losing limbs in textile machinery. The youth is just a waste of time, anxiety? Lol, they are just unbelievable. 

I'm all for those industries surviving mate I used to be involved with the textiles in Lancs region but they just couldn't compete. Wonderful places where life happened, proper buzzing with energy. Workers who may complained at times, yet had a reason for being and getting up in the morning and kept them away from having idle hands and getting involved with fringe groups like the black shirt young lads far right as seen in Belfast etc. Maybe the factories will come back one day with advanced robotics and AI. Who knows. Yet Maggie was right to let them collapse as the other half of the population couldn't subsidise them anymore. It's crazy. If we are to exist in a world of free trade then we must operate in one. There's no other way.

I lived through tat period, holy smoke the late 70's were grim beyond belief, strikes, no lights, doom and gloom, no feeling that you could break out your gived position in life. Maggie came along and all that ended. Opportunities arose as we moved on from the 70's, new light industries developed, the City did well and that fed through to developments in the periphery and further afield. White van man was doing pretty well. If you got off your backside in that era, you could do something with your life. Trades flourished. Then Maggie free millions from being slaves to landlords. she gave the average man in the street the right to buy their own house, something that will be looked back as one of the wonders of the last century up there with womens emancipation. Suddenly you could become owner of your own home. That elevated so many people at the time, it gave them a spur that if you worked hard and were in some ways lucky in the work field, could elevate oneself into another world. The lady was the greatest person in my lifetime. The freak shows we get now as leaders are joke stuff in comparison. I have a picture of Maggie by the stairs. When I get a little down or fed up with work or the news, etc, I take a look at her and get a feeling of positivity, a 'you can do it' mind set, a state of 'we're gonna win again, we're gonna win again' and the day just gets better and better. Her spirit lives on.

 
Have to say Orby that rant's doing some Olympic-level gymnastics with history and blaming immigrants as a bonus round.

UK heavy industry didn't vanish because of "Commie wages" in Eastern Europe.

It was already hammered by automation, global competition, productivity gaps, and yes, policy choices long before EU expansion.

Thatcher didn't single-handedly "fix" anything, mate.

She accelerated a transition that left entire regions of the country without any sort of replacement industries.

And dismissing anxiety as "made up" is just ignorance.

Mental health isn't a competition with coal mines.

People adapt to different pressures, not fewer ones.

And nostalgia is fine, but scapegoating groups isn't a analysis.

It's comfort storytelling, the 80s were brutal, Orby.

Again, entire groups of hard-working men were consigned to the scrap heap.

Basically, no longer wanted or required, and by extension, their poor families.

And here is the thing about people suddenly being able to own their own home.

Which i think was one of her administration's more admirable contributions to the people. 

They did not bother to build enough replacement social housing for the masses.

So by selling off the available stock, they simply contributed to the future housing crisis we now experience.

And thats a doozy, and a problem of epic proportions, i can assure you...

[andy06shake]

No, not really did you check the info at the link?

No, not really did you check the info at the link (see Mountbatten)?

Cheers.

It was kind of just a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding Denver Airport, although it is a very ""interesting"" construction to say the least.

Where Savile is concerned, Karl12, suffice to say the dirty old wrong'yin moved about in some very interesting social circles...

I mean, the man pretty much had the keys to Broadmoor.

[Orby]

 
Have to say Orby that rant's doing some Olympic-level gymnastics with history and blaming immigrants as a bonus round.

UK heavy industry didn't vanish because of "Commie wages" in Eastern Europe.

It was already hammered by automation, global competition, productivity gaps, and yes, policy choices long before EU expansion.

Thatcher didn't single-handedly "fix" anything, mate.

She accelerated a transition that left entire regions of the country without any sort of replacement industries.

And dismissing anxiety as "made up" is just ignorance.

Mental health isn't a competition with coal mines.

People adapt to different pressures, not fewer ones.

And nostalgia is fine, but scapegoating groups isn't a analysis.

It's comfort storytelling, the 80s were brutal, Orby.

Again, entire groups of hard-working men were consigned to the scrap heap.

Basically, no longer wanted or required, and by extension, their poor families.

And here is the thing about people suddenly being able to own their own home.

Which i think was one of her administration's more admirable contributions to the people. 

They did not bother to build enough replacement social housing for the masses.

So by selling off the available stock, they simply contributed to the future housing crisis we now experience.

And thats a doozy, and a problem of epic proportions, i can assure you...

Eh? Immigrants? It's all eveveryone's talking about right now but............ I never mentioned them once. Where I mentioned the wall coming down I'm talking about local factories moving OVERSEAS to eastern Europe. Not immigrants coming here! We lost our wage advantage as soon as those Commie nations were admitted into the EU. The local Japanese and German plants started moving lines out there as soon as possible. 

I still stick to the fact that Britain in 1990 was just a superior place to that of 1979. There is no comparison and I really feel for the people who feel like they were treatd very badly by Maggie, yet it was merely another turn in their ancient bloodlines. I put it to you that their time, in those northern cities had come to an end. Those people, were largely of immigrant stock from the early Victorian times onwards. The northern cities had drawn in immgrants from the continent Hugenourts bringing their skills from Dutch, france, north of Germany, I know your family came in a similar manner from Ireland I'm guessing to further themselfs economically in the lands of Scotland newly industrialising, the new towns of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheefield, Storckport, Bradford population similarly brought in these peoples from the Celtic nation of Ireland, Wales, Scotland to man the new industrial revolution. This may be unpopular yet it might just be the situation, that with the end of those new industries, it is time once again for these northern folk of Celtic descent to pack their bags, get out the map, then look for a new location where the jobs have moved to / or opportunities now exists. 

It does sound a little harsh, yet I've got lots of friends and family members who have moved for this reason. My own family, well part of it was from Durham, yet before that they would be from the Munster zone in Ireland. When the pits ended in Easington they were forced to move. It was stay and fall apart, or take the bull by the horns, get on your bike and go find a better place with more opportunities. One has to move on when things fall apart. That's why places like the States or Aus exists. One has to move on. It sounds harsh but those communities were no longer necessary. You can't keep throwing money at places like Easington when the very reason for the existence is gone. The truth is there. It was over for these places. The world had moved on. To blame Maggie is rediculous. It's like blaming Gladstone for the end of mass employment on the farms with the introduction of steam powered tractors. It's rediculous. The world had changed.

[Oldcarpy2]

Eh? Immigrants? It's all eveveryone's talking about right now but............ I never mentioned them once. Where I mentioned the wall coming down I'm talking about local factories moving OVERSEAS to eastern Europe. Not immigrants coming here! We lost our wage advantage as soon as those Commie nations were admitted into the EU. The local Japanese and German plants started moving lines out there as soon as possible. 

I still stick to the fact that Britain in 1990 was just a superior place to that of 1979. There is no comparison and I really feel for the people who feel like they were treatd very badly by Maggie, yet it was merely another turn in their ancient bloodlines. I put it to you that their time, in those northern cities had come to an end. Those people, were largely of immigrant stock from the early Victorian times onwards. The northern cities had drawn in immgrants from the continent Hugenourts bringing their skills from Dutch, france, north of Germany, I know your family came in a similar manner from Ireland I'm guessing to further themselfs economically in the lands of Scotland newly industrialising, the new towns of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheefield, Storckport, Bradford population similarly brought in these peoples from the Celtic nation of Ireland, Wales, Scotland to man the new industrial revolution. This may be unpopular yet it might just be the situation, that with the end of those new industries, it is time once again for these northern folk of Celtic descent to pack their bags, get out the map, then look for a new location where the jobs have moved to / or opportunities now exists. 

It does sound a little harsh, yet I've got lots of friends and family members who have moved for this reason. My own family, well part of it was from Durham, yet before that they would be from the Munster zone in Ireland. When the pits ended in Easington they were forced to move. It was stay and fall apart, or take the bull by the horns, get on your bike and go find a better place with more opportunities. One has to move on when things fall apart. That's why places like the States or Aus exists. One has to move on. It sounds harsh but those communities were no longer necessary. You can't keep throwing money at places like Easington when the very reason for the existence is gone. The truth is there. It was over for these places. The world had moved on. To blame Maggie is rediculous. It's like blaming Gladstone for the end of mass employment on the farms with the introduction of steam powered tractors. It's rediculous. The world had changed.

Which "Commie nations"?

[Orby]

Which "Commie nations"?

The ones Stalin nabbed in 1945 and set them free in can't remember 1990/ 89?

[Oldcarpy2]

The ones Stalin nabbed in 1945 and set them free in can't remember 1990/ 89?

Perhaps, do some basic research?

[Orby]

Perhaps, do some basic research?

You know the ones surely. A rook of Slavs, Hungary, those fake Baltic states. Throw i the albanians yet i can't remember them be a threat to our industrial base as the others were in 1998

[Oldcarpy2]

You know the ones surely. A rook of Slavs, Hungary, those fake Baltic states. Throw i the albanians yet i can't remember them be a threat to our industrial base as the others were in 1998

Eh?  Which factories or industries moved to any of those places?

[Orby]

Eh?  Which factories or industries moved to any of those places?

I can understand it OC your not involved here, well just about every thing one can think of. All our tv factroies went bar that one up in the NE can't remember its name they do them for caravans but every proper tv company went, larhely for Czech now Slavakia. Erm Landrover.................. making Defender. Auto supply chains went. Concrete mixers for building sites. Casing for Bae munitions to czech. Loads went out there. It continues.