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Speculation: what archaeological sites will be found in the near future?
(09-21-2025, 08:53 PM)Hanslune Wrote: Sarcasm, the 'world' would do as it always does, absorb the new information and move on, like it did with Lucy, the finds in Olduvai Gorge, Gobekli Tepe, deep time, Catalhuyuck, those who have specialist knowledge are thrilled the rest of the world  - meh!


Heartless has already answered for you, but I digress.

I disagree with your premise that the world will go on, as usual.  The world has the chance to change back to the "Heaven" it used to be.  It is what is meant by the term "Heaven, on Earth", where the same moral codes that guide Heaven will finally return to Earth.  
"Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth, as it is in heaven. " Etc Etc.

And it is this, that can not be stopped.  No sarcasm intended.....
A Lie will last for a time, but the Truth, shall last for ever...
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A Lie will last for a time, but the Truth, shall last for ever...
(09-23-2025, 09:20 AM)All Seeing Eye Wrote:   Now, where did Plato say those "gods" went just before the flood......??

Again, I suggest you read Plato before commenting on what Plato did or did not say.
That's all I can do for someone like you.

Harte
"A wise man will enjoy the goods of which there is a plentiful supply, and of intellectual rubbish he will find an abundant diet, in our own age as in every other.“   Bertrand Russell
(09-23-2025, 01:46 PM)Harte Wrote: Again, I suggest you read Plato before commenting on what Plato did or did not say.
That's all I can do for someone like you.

Harte

I have...


" collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows: * "

If we use your logic and follow his retelling exactly, these gods withdrew into the center of the earth, or commonly known today as the "Hollow Earth".  Jesus referred to it as "Heaven" in Matthew 23-13. Admiral Byrd called it "The Land Beyond the Poles".  The ancient Greeks called it "Hyperboria".  
Quote:That's all I can do for someone like you.

What makes you think you need do anything for me?
A Lie will last for a time, but the Truth, shall last for ever...
(09-23-2025, 02:34 PM)All Seeing Eye Wrote: I have...


" collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows: * "

If we use your logic and follow his retelling exactly, these gods withdrew into the center of the earth, or commonly known today as the "Hollow Earth".  Jesus referred to it as "Heaven" in Matthew 23-13. Admiral Byrd called it "The Land Beyond the Poles".  The ancient Greeks called it "Hyperboria".  

What makes you think you need do anything for me?
Read more Plato.
He doesn't refer to the center of the Earth here.
He's talking about the Earth itself, considered the "center of the world" where the "world" is what we today call the universe.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_mund...%20vision.

Harte
"A wise man will enjoy the goods of which there is a plentiful supply, and of intellectual rubbish he will find an abundant diet, in our own age as in every other.“   Bertrand Russell
(09-23-2025, 03:31 PM)Harte Wrote: Read more Plato.
He doesn't refer to the center of the Earth here.
He's talking about the Earth itself, considered the "center of the world" where the "world" is what we today call the universe.

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/plato.JPG]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_mund...%20vision.

Harte


This isnt reading Plato, its reading someones opinion.. Not the same!
A Lie will last for a time, but the Truth, shall last for ever...
(09-23-2025, 09:52 AM)All Seeing Eye Wrote: Heartless has already answered for you, but I digress.

I disagree with your premise that the world will go on, as usual.  The world has the chance to change back to the "Heaven" it used to be.  It is what is meant by the term "Heaven, on Earth", where the same moral codes that guide Heaven will finally return to Earth.  
"Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth, as it is in heaven. " Etc Etc.

And it is this, that can not be stopped.  No sarcasm intended.....
What exactly would you expect if Atlantis was found on a seamount in the Azores? There were no great societal shifts when we found out about the Sumerians, Minoans, or others in the old world or the Spanish ran into the Aztec, Inca, Maya etc. in the new world, why would a dead city cause a notable change? We've had lots of far more interesting and previously unknown finds which had no appreciative wider effect. The chance that the western world would suddenly revert to a pious Christian state is not remotely plausible, one there is no agreement as to what the 'official' Christian position is - centuries of religious wars and tens of millions of deaths didn't seem to resolve that. The Muslim, Hindus, Shinto, Atheist or Buddhism, Taoism and others are definitely not going to go along with that Pollyanna idea.  One question which version of the Bible do you think everyone would suddenly start to follow? Chuckle
(09-23-2025, 11:31 PM)Hanslune Wrote: What exactly would you expect if Atlantis was found on a seamount in the Azores? There were no great societal shifts when we found out about the Sumerians, Minoans, or others in the old world or the Spanish ran into the Aztec, Inca, Maya etc.


You have absolutely no basis to make this assumption, and in fact, the evidence exposes the complete opposite.  The Svalbard Global Seed Vault  is proof of earth shattering events, and the planning to survive.  

The "Missing Time" is far more important, than what we think we know.  Plato tells us just one episode in ancient history.  How many others have gone unrecorded, because of any reason we can not fathom, presently.  People are still debating how much of our DNA we share, with Chimps............  

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How many times in the past has the Earth been destroyed, for what was discovered???  The correct answer is "Unknown"!!!
A Lie will last for a time, but the Truth, shall last for ever...
(09-24-2025, 07:50 AM)All Seeing Eye Wrote: You have absolutely no basis to make this assumption, and in fact, the evidence exposes the complete opposite.  The Svalbard Global Seed Vault  is proof of earth shattering events, and the planning to survive.  

The "Missing Time" is far more important, than what we think we know.  Plato tells us just one episode in ancient history.  How many others have gone unrecorded, because of any reason we can not fathom, presently.  People are still debating how much of our DNA we share, with Chimps............  

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How many times in the past has the Earth been destroyed, for what was discovered???  The correct answer is "Unknown"!!!

I asked AI about the destruction of seed banks:

"Yes
Yes, seed vaults have been destroyed during wars. For instance, during the civil war in Sudan, the national seed bank was raided and its seeds scattered, with some being sent to the Svalbard Global Seed Vault as a backup. Additionally, the Syrian war has also affected seed banks, with some facilities operating despite the conflict. Overall, wars have led to significant destruction of seed storage facilities, highlighting the vulnerability of agricultural resources during conflicts."

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It's mostly due to man's destructive actions IMO but ancient wisdom has survived in some libraries, in ancient scrolls, etc. etc. etc.

Explore The World’s Oldest Libraries: Ancient Wisdom That Endures Today | Mavigadget - Blog

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"The Library of Alexandria was not the first library of its kind.[sup][3][/sup][sup][12][/sup] A long tradition of libraries existed in both Greece and in the ancient Near East.[sup][13][/sup][sup][3][/sup] The earliest recorded archive of written materials comes from the ancient Sumerian city-state of Uruk in around 3400 BC, when writing had only just begun to develop.[sup][14][/sup] Scholarly curation of literary texts began in around 2500 BC.[sup][14][/sup] The later kingdoms and empires of the ancient Near East had long traditions of book collecting.[sup][15][/sup][sup][3][/sup] 

The ancient Hittites and Assyrians had massive archives containing records written in many different languages.[sup][15][/sup] The most famous library of the ancient Near East was the Library of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh, founded in the seventh century BC by the Assyrian king Ashurbanipal (ruled 668–c. 627 BC).[sup][14][/sup][sup][3][/sup] A large library also existed in Babylon during the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II (c. 605–c. 562 BC).[sup][15][/sup] In Greece, the Athenian tyrant Pisistratus was said to have founded the first major public library in the sixth century BC.[sup][16][/sup] It was out of this mixed heritage of both Greek and Near Eastern book collections that the idea for the Library of Alexandria may have been born through Alexander.[sup][17][/sup][sup][3]"[/sup]

Library of Alexandria - Wikipedia

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Why wasn't Atlantis or any other type of advanced civilization found in any writings from anywhere else?

We need to do a deeper dive to put this lost city of Atlantis to rest.

"Then there is the mention of chasing and sacrificing bulls in Atlantis. Could this reference the well-documented practice on Minoan Crete where bull jumping, worship, and iconography pervade the archaeological record? Plato's next dialogue, according to many scholars, was (coincidentally?) titled Minos after the island's legendary king, admired by Plato for his law-making skills."

"And so it goes on over the centuries, through the Renaissance and Francis Bacon's New AtlantisThomas More's Utopia, and right up to the present day with countless retellings and embellishments, and theories ranging from the plausible to the ridiculous, posed, debated, rejected, and debated again.The tale of Atlantis leaves many questions which have only tantalizing hypotheses as answers. Perhaps, then, we would do well to remember that Plato was not a historian but a philosopher, that he frequently used similes and metaphors to express his thoughts, and that, in his own words, delivered from the mouth of Critias: "It is inevitable, I suppose, that everything we have all said is a kind of representation and attempted likeness" (Critias 107b)."

Atlantis - World History Encyclopedia

So you see, almost no other sources but from philosophers' tales.
"The only journey is the one within."
(09-23-2025, 05:07 PM)All Seeing Eye Wrote: This isnt reading Plato, its reading someones opinion.. Not the same!

This is all you can do for someone who won't read Plato for themselves though.

Harte
"A wise man will enjoy the goods of which there is a plentiful supply, and of intellectual rubbish he will find an abundant diet, in our own age as in every other.“   Bertrand Russell



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