Speculation: what archaeological sites will be found in the near future?

[Harte]

Yes, all the images I post are from NW Africa.  The "Detractors" want Plato read word for word, no deviations. 

Not word for word, but surely you agree that any possible site for Atlantis must match more than "it's circular."
The Richat is twice the size of Plato's description, it has never been underwater and there are no ruins in it.
There are no canals, while Plato describes a massive canal extended out from Atlantis to the open ocean. it's not even near the ocean, and it's not beyond the straits.

And they do not want you to consider errors in ancient translations, unintentional mistakes, or the fact that the writings are over 2000 years old involving two different time keeping systems, one based on the Moon, the other based on the Solar Sun.

What "ancient translations?" Plato's work was preserved in full by the Byzantines. Do you think people can't read ancient Greek? FFS, if you can read Greek at all, you can read ancient Greek reasonably well.
And "two different time keeping systems? No, that's simply erroneous.

If you look at where the Richat is, it is just past the Pillars, looking east to west.  Plus, the rest of Plato,s retelling is lost, so great flexibility must be taken when reading.

The rest of ONE of the dialogs is "lost," but nothing in it about Atlantis was lost, and many scholars think it wasn't "lost" at all, just unfinished.
I'd point out that the dialogue itself wasn't even about Atlantis, per se.

Yes, it is close by.  You can have "Islands" in a Inland Sea. 

Explain how you sail a navy from a lake to the Mediterranean and conquer the cultures there.

Harte

[quintessentone]

So, it may be that Plato's account of Atlantis was just an allegory.

"In what way could the story of Atlantis have been an allegory in favour of Athens? This idea is partially based on how Plato introduces the story of Atlantis in the Timaeus dialogue. There, Plato has Socrates mention how he wants to hear a story about the ideal state, Athens, in action.

 Consequently, Critias responds by telling him the story of Atlantis. In this story, there is a war between Atlantis, a mighty naval empire, and Athens, a comparatively humble and unimportant city. Eventually, Athens wins the war and defeats Atlantis.
 
According to one line of thought, the story of Atlantis is supposed to serve as an allegory showing the superiority of Athens to its larger, more powerful opponents. For instance, consider the fact that Plato was writing in the fourth century BCE. In the century before that, Athens had fought off the mighty Persian Empire.
 
Therefore, according to this theory, the story of Atlantis served as an allegory for Athens’ victory over the Persians."

Was Plato's Story of Atlantis Just an Allegory? - GreekReporter.com

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Another dead end, just like finding the Missing Link?

[Harte]

So, it may be that Plato's account of Atlantis was just an allegory.

"In what way could the story of Atlantis have been an allegory in favour of Athens? 

The truth is it was an allegory against Athens - the Athens of Plato's day.
He was comparing it to an idealized Athens of the past and demonstrating how far it had fallen.
Had to do it carefully though. I mean, they killed his teacher for a similar thing.

Harte

[Hanslune]

So, it may be that Plato's account of Atlantis was just an allegory.

"In what way could the story of Atlantis have been an allegory in favour of Athens? This idea is partially based on how Plato introduces the story of Atlantis in the Timaeus dialogue. There, Plato has Socrates mention how he wants to hear a story about the ideal state, Athens, in action.

 Consequently, Critias responds by telling him the story of Atlantis. In this story, there is a war between Atlantis, a mighty naval empire, and Athens, a comparatively humble and unimportant city. Eventually, Athens wins the war and defeats Atlantis.
 
According to one line of thought, the story of Atlantis is supposed to serve as an allegory showing the superiority of Athens to its larger, more powerful opponents. For instance, consider the fact that Plato was writing in the fourth century BCE. In the century before that, Athens had fought off the mighty Persian Empire.
 
Therefore, according to this theory, the story of Atlantis served as an allegory for Athens’ victory over the Persians."

Was Plato's Story of Atlantis Just an Allegory? - GreekReporter.com

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Another dead end, just like finding the Missing Link?

Missing link? An old concept now abandoned many years ago. It fell out of favor with anthropologists because it implies the evolutionary process is a linear phenomenon and that life follows a straight path. Today reference is made to the last common ancestor since this does not have the connotation of linear evolution, as evolution is a branching process. So, like Atlantis something that doesn't exist which just might explain why it cannot be found!

[All Seeing Eye]

Not word for word, but surely you agree that any possible site for Atlantis must match more than "it's circular."

What "ancient translations?"

"Structure: The island is depicted as having concentric rings of land and water, with alternating circles of each. The central area features a grand palace and a temple dedicated to Poseidon."

"In this passage, Plato (writing about 360 BCE) has Kritias relate a story he heard from the elder Kritias regarding a legendary trip of Solon (law-giver of the Athenians) to Egypt to learn from Egyptian priests. "
Ancient Egyptian, maybe?

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There are a few, what I would consider foundations, on the center Island. This is the largest of them.

[quintessentone]

Missing link? An old concept now abandoned many years ago. It fell out of favor with anthropologists because it implies the evolutionary process is a linear phenomenon and that life follows a straight path. Today reference is made to the last common ancestor since this does not have the connotation of linear evolution, as evolution is a branching process. So, like Atlantis something that doesn't exist which just might explain why it cannot be found!

Are you saying archaeologists would not have taken the 'branching process' into account when searching for the Missing Link? I doubt that.

[Harte]

"Structure: The island is depicted as having concentric rings of land and water, with alternating circles of each. The central area features a grand palace and a temple dedicated to Poseidon."

"In this passage, Plato (writing about 360 BCE) has Kritias relate a story he heard from the elder Kritias regarding a legendary trip of Solon (law-giver of the Athenians) to Egypt to learn from Egyptian priests. "
Ancient Egyptian, maybe?

I note the complete absence of measurements in the above.
Don't see anything that looks like a gigantic canal to the sea either.
So, "it's circular" is what we're going on here?

Harte

[Harte]

Are you saying archaeologists would not have taken the 'branching process' into account when searching for the Missing Link? I doubt that.

Archaeologists don't look for such things. Paleontologists might, but none of them do because the idea is meaningless.
ATM, the people that usually go on about the "missing link" are making a God in the Gaps fallacious argument.
That argument was first used shortly after Darwin.
Since then, LOTS of evidence has been found, some of which certainly does fill in gaps between apes and humans (humans are apes, but I put it that way for brevity.)
Anytime a new find is inserted between ape and man, it creates two new gaps for the "missing link" to occupy.

Harte

[quintessentone]

Archaeologists don't look for such things. Paleontologists might, but none of them do because the idea is meaningless.
ATM, the people that usually go on about the "missing link" are making a God in the Gaps fallacious argument.
That argument was first used shortly after Darwin.
Since then, LOTS of evidence has been found, some of which certainly does fill in gaps between apes and humans (humans are apes, but I put it that way for brevity.)
Anytime a new find is inserted between ape and man, it creates two new gaps for the "missing link" to occupy.

Harte

Thanks for pointing me in a different direction with this Missing Link subject.

"So, Why Is There No Missing Link? Because They’re All Missing Links!
 In the end, the reason there is no “missing link” is because there isn’t just one. The reality is that every fossil we find, every site we explore, and every ancient DNA sequence we analyze gives us another clue about the vast and intricate story of human evolution. Each one is a missing piece in its own right. The more pieces we find, the better we understand the big picture of where we came from and how we evolved.
 
So, let’s move away from the outdated concept of the “missing link” and embrace the idea that human evolution is a rich, complex, and ongoing discovery process. The story of humankind is far from complete, and that’s what makes it so fascinating!"

The Mosaic of Human Evolution: Challenging the Concept of a Singular ‘Missing Link’ – World of Paleoanthropology

[All Seeing Eye]

I note the complete absence of measurements in the above.
Don't see anything that looks like a gigantic canal to the sea either.
So, "it's circular" is what we're going on here?

Harte

"
Size of AtlantisGeneral DimensionsPlato's dialogues provide some measurements for Atlantis, although they are not entirely clear. The capital city of Atlantis was described as having a plain that measured approximately:

• 2,000 x 3,000 stadia (about 385 x 580 kilometers or 240 x 360 miles)
  

Allegorical InterpretationPlato's description suggests that Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia combined. This has led to various interpretations regarding its actual size and geographical location. Some scholars argue that this statement refers to the power and influence of Atlantis rather than its physical dimensions.
Population and MilitaryThe narrative indicates that Atlantis had a significant military force, estimated to be around one million men. This implies a large civilian population, suggesting that Atlantis would need a substantial landmass to support such numbers.
ConclusionWhile the exact size of Atlantis remains debated, the dimensions provided by Plato indicate a vast and influential civilization, likely larger than a small island. The allegorical nature of the story complicates definitive measurements, leading to various interpretations among scholars.
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The Size referenced is the Size of the Allotment known as "Atlantis", not the Ringed City.  And as we say down south, "Give or Take".

A very few ruins in the area I have documented were actually dated to around 5500Bc, or Ancient with no date given.    Give or take.