Some more on Atlantis

[All Seeing Eye]

In reference to your quote Atlantis was "outside the Pillars of Heracles" whereas Athens was amongst those "who dwelt within them". 

Per Timaeus: 
 

Would you care to try again?

cormac

No, Atlantis had a Atlantic port.

[Cormac Mac Airt]

No, Atlantis had a Atlantic port.

So you're making it up as you go along, because that's NOT what Plato said? Somehow I'm not surprised. 

cormac

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Not quite everything! Memory of the destruction of Thera might still have been carried down in oral tradition by the later Greeks but they would have known the difference between "inside" and "outside" the Mediterranean. Thera was also nowhere near as large as Plato claimed Atlantis was. Thera might have been an inspiration, but not much more than an inspiration. 

cormac

It was hyperbole to say "everything."

So they didnt have a layered concentric highly precise Amsterdam like canal system, surrounding a palace, but you remember the game telephone?  I'm wondering how much description in Plato's allegory is "a purple monkey dishwasher,"

  If a great civilization capable of so much had their perfect sea hub destroyed in a day, you gotta assume it was retold and morphed before it got to Platos version. 

Maybe the location morphed and repositioned itself somewhere stupid,  like the convergence zone of The Altanic and Mediterranean (Pillars of Hercules by Gibraltar), possibly THE WORST location for a port to be. 

Why I think Santorini or bust...

The Geography and Landscape

• The Ring and Lagoon: Unlike a single giant volcanic cone, Santorini was a ring-island. A prior massive eruption (the Riva eruption 21,000 years ago) had already created an old caldera that was flooded by the sea. This formed a calm, protected inner lagoon.
  
• Pre-Kameni Island: Right in the middle of this shallow lagoon sat a low volcanic island called Pre-Kameni. It featured small active vents but was much lower and smaller than today’s central volcanic islands.
  
• The Single Opening: The outer ring of the island was almost completely closed. It featured only one narrow channel entry in the northwest (near modern-day Oia), making the inner lagoon an exceptionally safe, landlocked harbor for Bronze Age ships.
  

The Minoan Settlement of Akrotiri The southern peninsula of the island was home to Akrotiri, a highly sophisticated, prosperous trading hub deeply tied to the Minoan civilization of Crete.

• Advanced Infrastructure: The city featured paved streets, multi-story stone buildings with balconies, and a complex under-floor sewage and drainage system.
  
• Vibrant Culture: The walls of the homes were decorated with world-famous, colorful frescoes depicting daily life—such as saffron gatherers, boxing boys, blue monkeys, and a large maritime flotilla navigating the island's lush coastlines.
  
• No Human Remains: When the volcano woke up, it gave months of warning tremors. Unlike Pompeii, no skeletons or bodies have ever been found at Akrotiri. The inhabitants packed up their transportable valuables and successfully evacuated the island before the final explosion blew the center of the island apart.
  

Let's not take the accounts of our ancestors too verbatim, because around the same time this happened, an airburst happened over The Dea Sea, which eventually became the story about how the Hebrew God destroyed a few cities for their sexual deviance.

[Cormac Mac Airt]

Let's not take the accounts of are ancestors too verbatim, because around the same time an airburst happened over The Dea Sea, which eventually became the story about how the Hebrew God destroyed a them for their sexual deviance.

It's not an account, strictly speaking, it's a story meant to teach a lesson about hubris. While Thera may have been an inspiration for the story (possibly one of several) it is not Plato's Atlantis as it is not where Plato puts it, it's not the size Plato makes it, nor is it the same timeframe Plato places it. It's so far over-detailed as to be ridiculous. Add to all that that the Greeks, who wouldn't even exist then, would know absolutely nothing about a timeframe 9000 years before Solon. It's akin to "a long, long time ago in a land far, far away"!

cormac

[All Seeing Eye]

So you're making it up as you go along, because that's NOT what Plato said? Somehow I'm not surprised. 

cormac

This shows the undocumented ruins in the area.  Made up?  Go look!!!!  The Lies are the only things being "Made Up"!

[rickymouse]

I have no idea where Atlantis really was.  There are lots of ancient cities that are in the oceans, seems like there was some major events in the past that caused the land to sink and whole cities are under water.  Pyramids and statues, old buildings, some in decent shape yet.  I do not think Mermaids built those structures and sculptures.

[Cormac Mac Airt]

This shows the undocumented ruins in the area.  Made up?  Go look!!!!  The Lies are the only things being "Made Up"!

[Image: https://i.imgur.com/m8kLL8q.jpeg]

And yet none of that is Plato's Atlantis. It's neither in the Atlantic, an island, nor even the size Plato claims Atlantis was. Doesn't help your argument any. 

cormac

[All Seeing Eye]

And yet none of that is Plato's Atlantis. It's neither in the Atlantic, an island, nor even the size Plato claims Atlantis was. Doesn't help your argument any. 

cormac

I'm not arguing.   Take it, or leave it.  All you have to do is put a ancient name to all those ruins.  Show me in any history book about this culture, civilization that used a road network........

[Cormac Mac Airt]

I'm not arguing.   Take it, or leave it.  All you have to do is put a ancient name to all those ruins.  Show me in any history book about this culture, civilization that used a road network........

I'll leave it as it has nothing to do with Plato's story. 

cormac

[Harte]

Considering that Plato gives a general size for the island of Atlantis and a pretty specific location how does a geological feature roughly 2/3 the size of the Iberian Peninsula disappear in a day and night? 

cormac

Easy.
They hired David Copperfield.

Harte