Should the USA leave NATO.

[pianopraze]

I say yes.

Let Europe fight its own wars.

We bankrupted ourself as world police.

We are screwed, trillions in debt.

Time to focus on fixing our economy and stop sending billions around the world.

We are bleeding out. Dying. Circling the drain. Now is time to reorganize and heal ourselves. Only then can we help others. We continue this spending insanity and we will crumble. Cut up the credit cards and get back to saving and moving from position of strength.

Pull all troops home. Stop all foreign aid. Kick NATO to the curb. Pay our debts.

Rumors are we finally have some politicians agreeing with me. Here are the rumors:

1. I doubt this one as I don’t think he has the authority: Link

Alert: Unconfirmed reports that President Trump will announce that the US is leaving NATO in his joint address to US Congress tomorrow! This would be the greatest news in modern history!

2. Luna keeps getting better: Link

'It is time for US to withdraw from NATO right NOW' - US rep. Luna NATO and UN push 'globalist agenda' that puts 'America Last' US should not send one more dollar to NATO, which wants to drag US into WW3 — she adds.

3. Ron Paul the GOAT: Link

Suddenly, Leaving NATO is on the Table!

where are the peace not war hippies who aren’t going take it any more and to get fooled again?

they seem to have Ukrainian flags in their social media!

Step up! Let’s get out of this!

[sahgwa]

As hard as it is for me to say, this, if I just focus on altruism for the rest of our citizens I say we should leave NATO .  Not just for the funding that our domestic citizens need, but also since NATO has outlived its usefulness years ago.
NATO enabled me to grow up in the Netherlands and Germany, and to travel all over Europe. It enabled me to learn new languages and see how we helped the continent in World War 2 especially . I have walked the halls of HQ SHAPE in Belgium, and worked on NATO enabled US Army bases.
These were all 'relics' of WW2 and the Cold War.
Once the Cold War ended, and the Soviet Union fell, NATO should have closed up shop.
This is not even touching on all the money involved for those at the top, as well as the MIC and it's tendrils in society.

[quintessentone]

If the idea is to get out of wars, then why not get out of every conflict/war in every part of the world? Otherwise, this whole leave NATO gesture makes no sense. Didn't Trump just give Israel billions of dollars in military aid?

[ArMaP]

Once the Cold War ended, and the Soviet Union fell, NATO should have closed up shop.

I agree.

If there is any need any group of countries can make their own agreements, and, in fact, several of those agreement exist between NATO countries, with the oldest being the Anglo-Portuguese treaty of 1373.

Edited to add that, although I agree that NATO should have ended several years ago, I don't think this is a good time to spread more division between allies.

Also, the way you say "let Europe fight its own wars" makes it sound like NATO was something European countries more or less imposed to the US, when in fact it was mostly created as an opposition to a possible spreading of Communism throughout Europe (that's why we got some US ships with their cannons pointing to the Portuguese parliament when the US thought there was a possibility of a Communist government in Portugal).

[sahgwa]

At the heart, most people are believe it or not, more aware of the corruption graft doublespeak and hypocrisy of our large institutions. They are questioning the true need for such an organisation, when it is being hit home in their wallets and perhaps in their hearts, that the time has come to stop sending both our relatives, and children overseas and our money as well, when we have so much suffering and things to fix at home.

The MIC doesn't want it to end. Just like Eisenhower warned about in the Fifties.  Not just a President but a General, who knew first hand the problem of an out of control tail-wagging-the-dog, investigating-itself, out of control monster beholden to no nation, but merely the bottom dollar, and power.

[Maxmars]

I have always balked at most of our most frequently raised objections on this topic.

It makes me hesitate to comment because of the massive amounts of misunderstandings coming from the crowds of organizers of activism... who all seem to express themselves in a rain of scattered illogic and refusal to "learn."

NATO has very important features that must ALWAYS be considered up front about "who" they are 
     a - NATO is a "membership by invitation club"
     b - NATO is NOT a nation, nor does it "represent" a nation... it is a "club" of political and industry-appointed people...
          the organization itself seems comprised of professional war activists... real "politics of fear" types.
     c - NATO does NOT represent ANY nation... just all those marketers in the fun-time-hate-mongering MIC and old school "We'll tell you what to                  think" oligarchs, and their talking head media parrots.

It's starting to be clear that every single narrative spewed by NATO is malignantly flawed... I'm starting to think they know it too. 

Since NATO is all about "convincing" the world to spend "defense" money through them (and only them)... they only have two solutions....
war (obviously,) and NATO not existing.  Guess which they choose?

To the defense industries of the world... peace is the single ugliest threat they can imagine.  NATO is their 'foot in the door' of government.

[sahgwa]

I have always balked at most of our most frequently raised objections on this topic.

It makes me hesitate to comment because of the massive amounts of misunderstandings coming from the crowds of organizers of activism... who all seem to express themselves in a rain of scattered illogic and refusal to "learn."

NATO has very important features that must ALWAYS be considered up front about "who" they are 
     a - NATO is a "membership by invitation club"
     b - NATO is NOT a nation, nor does it "represent" a nation... it is a "club" of political and industry-appointed people...
          the organization itself seems comprised of professional war activists... real "politics of fear" types.
     c - NATO does NOT represent ANY nation... just all those marketers in the fun-time-hate-mongering MIC and old school "We'll tell you what to                  think" oligarchs, and their talking head media parrots.

It's starting to be clear that every single narrative spewed by NATO is malignantly flawed... I'm starting to think they know it too. 

Since NATO is all about "convincing" the world to spend "defense" money through them (and only them)... they only have two solutions....
war (obviously,) and NATO not existing.  Guess which they choose?

To the defense industries of the world... peace is the single ugliest threat they can imagine.  NATO is their 'foot in the door' of government.

*dingdingdingding* BINGO

[pianopraze]

If the idea is to get out of wars, then why not get out of every conflict/war in every part of the world? Otherwise, this whole leave NATO gesture makes no sense. Didn't Trump just give Israel billions of dollars in military aid?

I agree we should get out of every conflict and pull our troops home. Put them to work training and maybe building infrastructure. There are a lot of dams and bridges severely overdue for being rebuilt. Expand the army corp of engineers instead of sending weapons of war to countries all over the world.

I also agree we should stop sending money in military aid and or weapons.

[Byrd]

If we do, we lose a lot of influence in the world.

That means they can make rules and we have no input on them.  We can't form coalitions to stop things that are unwise.  

In other words, we move from being an active force to being victim of whatever other countries decide to do with the planet.

I'm not fond of being the victim.

[putnam6]

If we do, we lose a lot of influence in the world.

That means they can make rules and we have no input on them.  We can't form coalitions to stop things that are unwise.  

In other words, we move from being an active force to being victim of whatever other countries decide to do with the planet.

I'm not fond of being the victim.

Yeah, thats an absolute worst-case scenario... America's MIC and GDP always get them a seat at the table.