Retiree That Legally Defended Himself Sentenced to Prison in New York

[Oldcarpy2]

From past experience with someone who hoarded weapons it turned out he had some sort of mental issue with paranoia being forefront. It turned out he thought the Men In Black were surveilling him and his neighbour was in on it. The neighbor called the cops and all his guns were confiscated.

Sounds like a mass shooting has been avoided.  Good.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Sounds like a mass shooting has been avoided.  Good.

The same could be said for locking up any men's sports team. A mass rape has been avoided because the collection of athletic males has been take out of public circulation.

Just because someone has a number of something doesn't mean they are going to use them the way you think they will. I doubt you can read minds that well.

[quintessentone]

The same could be said for locking up any men's sports team. A mass rape has been avoided because the collection of athletic males has been take out of public circulation.

Just because someone has a number of something doesn't mean they are going to use them the way you think they will. I doubt you can read minds that well.

I don't see the connection. The guy with the guns threatened the neighbour with a gun, so no reading of the mind was necessary in that case.

[andy06shake]

The same could be said for locking up any men's sports team. A mass rape has been avoided because the collection of athletic males has been take out of public circulation.

Just because someone has a number of something doesn't mean they are going to use them the way you think they will. I doubt you can read minds that well.

But that kind of logic treats people as dangerous by category, not by action.

By that standard, any group with physical power becomes a threat.

Which is absurd.

Risk comes from behavior and evidence.

Not stereotypes or headcounts.

[Moon68]

I don't see the connection. The guy with the guns threatened the neighbour with a gun, so no reading of the mind was necessary in that case.

I haven't seen that in any of the articles I read.

Link?

[BeyondKnowledge]

I don't see the connection. The guy with the guns threatened the neighbour with a gun, so no reading of the mind was necessary in that case.

But did he? He was not charged with that. He was not charged with the shooting of the robber. He was charged with not following rules.

Apparently the courts found that he legally used a weapon to defend himself but the weapon had not been taxed properly. They also found him in possession of other nontaxed weapons.

Was not paying the registration fee worth loosing his life? Being robbed? Beaten? Those were the other possible outcomes.

[Moon68]

Seems to me he had a small armoury of unregistered weapons, and that was what he was convicted of.

You can't claim that he has so many weapons for the purpose of self defense? One or two, possibly, but 26 of 'em?

He can't use that many at once,

Sounds like he was armed up ready for acts of domestic terrorist sedition, or was an arms dealer, or both.

Sounds like a collector to me.

Your assumptions belie your bias.

[quintessentone]

I haven't seen that in any of the articles I read.

Link?

It was a personal experience of a person in my life's orbit. The main message there was to point out the mental illness, mainly paranoia, that was present and if the guy with the guns in this thread topic may have had a mental illness.

[quintessentone]

But did he? He was not charged with that. He was not charged with the shooting of the robber. He was charged with not following rules.

Apparently the courts found that he legally used a weapon to defend himself but the weapon had not been taxed properly. They also found him in possession of other nontaxed weapons.

Was not paying the registration fee worth loosing his life? Being robbed? Beaten? Those were the other possible outcomes.

You misunderstood my post. I meant the guy with the gun who threatened the neighbor was the guy that was in my orbit, not the guy that is the subject of this thread. The main point of my reply to you was that there was no need for a mind reading because it was a clear threat.

[SomeStupidName]

From your source:

"At District Attorney Katz’ discretion, the defendant was not charged for his role in the shooting. District Attorney Katz said: “While investigating a May 2023 shooting incident, we found Charles Foehner in possession of 26 unlicensed and unregistered weapons, 13,000 rounds of ammunition and 152 large capacity feeding devices, 10 of which were loaded, inside the defendant’s home. Four of the firearms were determined to be assault weapons and nearly all the illegal firearms were fully operational. This stockpile was not a collection of your grandfather’s harmless, inoperable, antique weapons. This was an arsenal of lethal firearms and assault weapons possessed in full violation of New York State law.” A court-authorized search warrant of the defendant’s residence on May 31, 2023, resulted in the recovery of: Two .38-caliber Smith and Wesson pistolsFour .357-caliber Smith and Wesson revolversThree 7.62 mm x 39 Norinco riflesTwo 12-gauge Mossberg shotgunsOne .38-caliber Cobra revolverOne .32-caliber Harrington and Richardson revolverOne .32-caliber Beretta pistolOne .22-caliber Browning pistolOne .25-caliber Precision Small Parts pistolOne 9 mm Glock pistolOne .45-caliber Glock pistolOne .380 Auto Caliber Norinco pistolOne .45-caliber Colt pistolOne .22-caliber Ruger rifleOne 30 Carbine Caliber Winchester rifleOne 30-06 Ruger rifleOne 5.56 x 45 mm caliber semi-automatic Norinco assault rifleOne .357-caliber Magnum Colt13,074 rounds of ammunition152 large capacity feeding devices, 10 of which were loadedTwo bulletproof vestsOne inoperable pistolFoehner, 67, of 82nd Road in Kew Gardens, pleaded guilty on November 20 to criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree. Queens Supreme Court Justice Toni Cimino sentenced Foehner today to four years in prison, to be followed by five years of post-release supervision."

He pleaded guilty.

  Hardly surprising?

That sounds like a normal gun collection.