Restoring American growth

[Ravenwatcher]

This might be unpopular but "When you put to many fish in a tank you must get a bigger tank"

America was built on exploration and growth we have ran out of land to settle or homestead our Resorces have peaked. The only way to make America what it once was is to grow the only way to grow and add resource's is to head south.

Mexico just across our border is poverty corruption and crime lots of land lots of Resorces to add to the GDP not to mention we could add law and order just like we did heading West. 

Not to mention closing up some big gap's allowing or rival countries easy access to the mainland.  Now just what consequences would we face internationally if we headed all the way down to the Panama Canal?

This is just for conversation but in reality, wouldn't it be in everyone's best interest boosting 3rd world to 1st world win win for everyone? 

I know the culture card will be played but it won't happen just look at us now we have many different cultures that are free to live how they want - 

    A stagnant pond only gets worse.

[quintessentone]

Why do you need other countries resources when Trump says the U.S. has enough resources of their own? I'm not getting it.

As for population growth, it appears growth won't fluctuate that much into 2050, so why not just fix or repurpose what infrastructure that already exists?

[Ravenwatcher]

Why do you need other countries resources when Trump says the U.S. has enough resources of their own? I'm not getting it.

As for population growth, it appears growth won't fluctuate that much into 2050, so why not just fix or repurpose what infrastructure that already exists?

Haven't we ran into a housing problem if not for availability, but the pricing is so that the average person is unable to afford to buy a house even cars are becoming out of reach for anyone making $50,000 a year.

[quintessentone]

Haven't we ran into a housing problem if not for availability, but the pricing is so that the average person is unable to afford to buy a house even cars are becoming out of reach for anyone making $50,000 a year.

So are you saying your governments (no matter who is in power) ignore infrastructure, new builds, and affordability for the underpaid working class?

It looks to me that that poor governance will just be brought into any other country that the U.S. buys or absorbs.

[Ravenwatcher]

So are you saying your governments (no matter who is in power) ignore infrastructure, new builds, and affordability for the underpaid working class?

It looks to me that that poor governance will just be brought into any other country that the U.S. buys or absorbs.

The opportunity we had during the industrial age is gone I would hope that land growth would open up some of that long lost opportunity we had, But you might be right I guess even if we did expand the large corporations would crush anyone trying to get a step ahead.

[quintessentone]

The opportunity we had during the industrial age is gone I would hope that land growth would open up some of that long lost opportunity we had, But you might be right I guess even if we did expand the large corporations would crush anyone trying to get a step ahead.

That's a bleak outlook for future generations.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

So we're absolutely totally positively sure we're not acting like arrogant imperialists with that mindset? Didn't someone else prattle on about deserved living space?

There's tons of places within our borders to destagnate. People haven't even considered adding another loop of cities around Phoenix yet.

We don't need to conquer or buy North and Central America.

The thing to do with those countries is to use the CIA to install puppet leaders and deliberately let cocaine into the US so they can put inner city America into the criminal justice system. Then Nancy Reagan could start the most futile war since Vietnam.

Or let drug lords use these countries banks so then we can use one of those puppet leader to steal drug lord money. Like how narcs take drug dealer cars. That's the proper way.

No, it seems Trump is going to treaten tariffs on their US imports and pressure US based companies to cease Mexico manufacturing lest Mexico stop taking the dirty cartel money that turned Puerto Vallarta into a lovely beach destination where you shouldn't really leave the resort ever.

It might be harder to appropriate Sina Loa or Tijuana Cartel money than it was Pablo Escobar and George Jung though. They own casinos and zoos and professional futbol teams now.

[quintessentone]

So we're absolutely totally positively sure we're not acting like arrogant imperialists with that mindset? Didn't someone else prattle on about deserved living space?

There's tons of places within our borders to destagnate. People haven't even considered adding another loop of cities around Phoenix yet.

We don't need to conquer or buy North and Central America.

The thing to do with those countries is to use the CIA to install puppet leaders and deliberately let cocaine into the US so they can put inner city America into the criminal justice system. Then Nancy Reagan could start the most futile war since Vietnam.

Or let drug lords use these countries banks so then we can use one of those puppet leader to steal drug lord money. Like how narcs take drug dealer cars. That's the proper way.

No, it seems Trump is going to treaten tariffs on their US imports and pressure US based companies to cease Mexico manufacturing lest Mexico stop taking the dirty cartel money that turned Puerto Vallarta into a lovely beach destination where you shouldn't really leave the resort ever.

It might be harder to appropriate Sina Loa or Tijuana Cartel money than it was Pablo Escobar and George Jung though. They own casinos and zoos and professional futbol teams now.

Yeah, your country needs better leaders who care about the people.

[quintessentone]

Made in America looks like it will never happen.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Made in America looks like it will never happen.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTeaQApcwcM]

I don't like the anti-outsourcing and anti-free trade crusade. It's my preferred neoliberal market views that gave the world tiers of quality in manufacturing. Gave the world call centers in Mumbai and crap built in Vietnam.

It's an established global interconnected ecosystem. It literally functions like a natural habitat. Niches filled, everything seeking a Nash style equilibrium. There's hierarchy, a food chain, and so interconnected and vast it's almost beyond point of upending, but not totally. 

For a major player to suddenly embrace protectionism and isolation where globalization once stood is like dropping an ultra invasive species into the habitat.

Now the ecosystem has to adjust. And it will, just like nature does. Weakest species to this change, like small domestic fish that rely on the much cheaper imported Indonesian coral for their castles will flounder.  (Fish pun!) 

Whales and sharks like Walmart will do better, they have food chain hierarchy and can adapt much easier. They are more likely to absorb it themselves, find alternatives within the changed ecosystem and create a new niches centered on appeasing the ultra invasive species. 

Now all the new fish that arrise will do so in a habitat that is harder to thrive in. 

* Unless the all-of-a-sudden protectionist Alpha shark decides to make it easier for them. And give them more ways to thrive. Because even the domestic fish do better with cheaper outsourced coral from Indonesia for their custom castle company.