Psychedelics are not required

[IgnorantGod]

Personal responsibility is the first thing I mentioned. Know how things effect you, know the risks. Have a sober and trusted friend or teacher help guide you through the process and batten you down when you get squirrely. Have a plan and do things right. 

The train doesn't need to stop because of a rare extreme example.

Thing is, knowing oneself is not always simple, and self-delusion is a thing. What I realized at some point in my life, is that most people (me included) think they know what they want and who they are, and yet don't have a single clue about what they really want.

And then? Well, you might know who you were at a certain point, but everyone is ever-changing, just like the rest of matter, it's all motion.

Native people knew the danger of psychedelics, and only those that had passed the appropriate rituals could take them, it was taboo for the rest of the tribe. I'd guess it would fall into 'being prepared' before taking anything. So at this point again, I have to agree with you there, you could recommend someone, provided the preparing ritual has been stressed enough as of utmost importance.

[AlroyFarms]

@IgnorantGod

I would also remind I said it was a recommendation. I would never force it on someone. If they're not ready to try then they're not ready. 

This is why it should all be a guided process in my opinion, ideally with a trusted person nearby (this would be part of the shaman's role.) 

It's not for everyone. And if someone came to me with the wrong intentions and attitude I would not endorse that. If someone just wants to get high and see cool stuff, it's not for them. This kind of drug use is more risky and less fruitful in my opinion.

There's also nothing wrong with finding a different path that doesn't involve ritual drug use.

[Maxmars]

For these kinds of explorations... a Sherpa who loves you is the best idea.

[AlroyFarms]

For these kinds of explorations... a Sherpa who loves you is the best idea.

And he better keep his big mouth shut!  

[Nerb]

INTENT IS EVERYTHING

It's not what we do to a head, it's the head that we do it to.

[quintessentone]

Just reading some of the newest research from Johns Hopkins Medicine:

Publications — Center for Psychedelic & Consciousness Research

Why? Because my daughter wants to go on a shroom trip with just her and me as I have never tried them. She also wants to light a fire in the fire pit too under the stars and watch the Perseids meteor shower. Talk about adding too many elements to my first time, that is, if I agree to it. Too much to deal with, I think.

"The activation of self-conscious emotions with psychedelics deserves further attention as a challenging experience subcategory that may be relevant to psychological outcomes. Such experiences could pose a unique and context-dependent learning condition for both therapeutic and detrimental forms of shame-related memory reconsolidation."

Shame, Guilt and Psychedelic Experience: Results from a Prospective, Longitudinal Survey of Real-World Psilocybin Use - PubMed

Hmm.

[Maxmars]

Perhaps your daughter feels a thirst to experience something seeming exotic and thrilling.

This is where the old rulers (you know the lot - overweight, middle-aged, mother-fixated conservatives and liberals) would bombard her with images of people eating faces, accident victims, and criminal excesses claiming "this is where you're headed.

On the other hand... if your 'hoping' for religious experience, a vision of pure being, an excellent hallucination, some manner of giggly joy ride... it doesn't always happen....

It's better to think of it as 'expecting the unexpected'...

There can be a moment of anxiety initially...
some young one's cling to it and it becomes a panic attack...
(many a-wasted 911 calls.)

It passes... and most frequently culminates in "Why am I wasting time being scared?" 

Having a Sherpa who loves you, and won't echo any natural anxiety... helps a lot.

Not saying you should do it.

Perhaps you fear what she might face....? 

Bad idea then...  Maybe don't.

But clinicians have a way of framing all things... to encourage their control.

Mushrooms are now being pursued for clinical application... soon pharmaceutical...
the good old days will be over if they regulate the industry...
...grab some popcorn...

[quintessentone]

Perhaps your daughter feels a thirst to experience something seeming exotic and thrilling.

This is where the old rulers (you know the lot - overweight, middle-aged, mother-fixated conservatives and liberals) would bombard her with images of people eating faces, accident victims, and criminal excesses claiming "this is where you're headed.

On the other hand... if your 'hoping' for religious experience, a vision of pure being, an excellent hallucination, some manner of giggly joy ride... it doesn't always happen....

It's better to think of it as 'expecting the unexpected'...

There can be a moment of anxiety initially...
some young one's cling to it and it becomes a panic attack...
(many a-wasted 911 calls.)

It passes... and most frequently culminates in "Why am I wasting time being scared?" 

Having a Sherpa who loves you, and won't echo any natural anxiety... helps a lot.

Not saying you should do it.

Perhaps you fear what she might face....? 

Bad idea then...  Maybe don't.

But clinicians have a way of framing all things... to encourage their control.

Mushrooms are now being pursued for clinical application... soon pharmaceutical...
the good old days will be over if they regulate the industry...
...grab some popcorn...

No, my daughter has done shrooms many times and has transitioned into her own self-awareness and ego busting, as she explained.

As for me, she thinks since she considers me to be self-aware and self-accepting, that I too could do some ego busting. She also explained that nothing at all may happen.

Perhaps distractions such as a roaring fire and a meteor shower may help to keep my focus in a more limited way for the first time. But if I decide to do it, I will be trancing myself out looking into the fire, as I do all the time. Will it be more of a vision quest? I need to think a lot more on this before partaking.

[UltraBudgie]

I need to think a lot more on this before partaking.

well she probably knows you better than any one here so your only question is do you trust her
its not about rational autonomy

[Sirius]

Mushrooms is a party drug, there is NOTHING it shows me that I can't see otherwise, it's just annoying

There is a dark agenda with all the psychedelic stuff, but it's pointless

If your life is shit and you don't want take accountability and seek an alternative reality, do the the drugs pray to the bugs