Psychedelics are not required

[Sirius]

Psychedelics are not required to to explore the mysteries..I know some of you are going "ja but my ancestors has done it this way and is eases the passing" and that's totally fine you do your thing I'm not talking to you...but the beer helps..shut up it fucking helps me too

If you are not following a journey these things will not help you or reveal anything, you have to fight the drugs or otherwise navigate through it. You don't need the drugs, fasting and yoga will pretty much get you there and cleaning your life

When I use any kind of drugs I go through extreme rituals to cleans my mind and make sure it's loaded up with good stuff and I still fuck up. Intent matters. What you see is always your perception. always. You can't just do these things with tiktok in your brain and whatever else information that you picked up in life that came from where exactly? You have to prepare and practice. WOW, you see another reality on the drugs? How do you test it? By giving other people drugs? Really? This is not how it's done. You must all ways test things. Everything is a test. This is what you don't learn to do and why the drugs never solve anything. "They tested with groups of people", yes yes, they all got the same shit in the brain. YOU DO NOT KNOW THEM Do something in the drug induced state to effect reality or that manifests without thrashing like a monkey...

What you don't realize from only taking the drugs is that anything you experience without them is a 1000x amplified including experiences of ecstasy and you can trigger it at will with practise. You will have to make sacrifices. Whatever you gain from the drugs is gone when the trip ends, without drugs the trip never ends, it is powered by your breath. The change comes from what you do in life, not the drugs that you take

If you think you have control over the drugs or what happens in the state, how do you know when you know nothing else?

Okay, you are using it to help you get through a rough time, sure sometimes we need help or a kick start. You also learn by repetition and sleeping, this is a well known fact. You need to adopt rituals not routines, the rituals are routine. You can mix things up, it should not be a chore. I recall an article that went along the lines of "doing things you don't want to do acts like a multiplier for learning" so ironically if it is a chore it's even more effective, but have fun...make it special

You should be looking for the Goddess in any case not insects

Yes the NHI operates on you and especially psychically, messes with your brain and your life and others manifesting in reality. The colloquial term is prayer




At some point you will have to answer why you need a drug to see reality, how did you come on this path...and the decision you made where drugs?

Sure sometimes we need help or a kick start, I understand that also. I never have the illusion that it's not vices and otherwise there is intent. Intent..intent is to find NHI entities with drugs, now you found them on drugs. Now what? Build a medical device cure arthritis, write a science paper that isn't about the drug. Where does it help/how?

Drugs are bad m'kay

[IgnorantGod]

Problem with drugs is the lack of context. Well, foolish arrogance is also a problem, learned it at my expense.

Thing is, you might stumble upon a genuine 'event', but as you said, being unprepared when it happens is just asking for death.

In my case, seems I'm somewhat genetically prone to the shamanist path, hence I end up in the dismemberment ritual, without any prior knowledge about rituals at all.

Suffice to say the ego was definitely not ready to be strip naked in front of the mirror.

Don't do psychedelics kids.

[Sirius]

Problem with drugs is the lack of context. Well, foolish arrogance is also a problem, learned it at my expense.

Thing is, you might stumble upon a genuine 'event', but as you said, being unprepared when it happens is just asking for death.

In my case, seems I'm somewhat genetically prone to the shamanist path, hence I end up in the dismemberment ritual, without any prior knowledge about rituals at all.

Suffice to say the ego was definitely not ready to be strip naked in front of the mirror.

Don't do psychedelics kids.

"dismemberment ritual."



rebirth

[UltraBudgie]

is scary when you also apply to other drugs other than psychodelics

side effect is effect too

like how tylenol (acetaminophen, paracetamol) suppresses empathy

is real look it up

[AlroyFarms]

In my case, seems I'm somewhat genetically prone to the shamanist path

I've been a shaman of sorts my whole life and didn't even know it. I was initiated by the fire, not any person. 

Here's my take on drug use:

There's good side effects and bad side effects. It's your responsibility to know how much of what effects you how. When I have gin I'm incredibly mellow and laughing. When I have rum I turn into a weepy hostile pirate. 

You have to know how the organic things you put in your body effect you. Food is a drug at this point. Everything effects your body. You think you're just putting in nothing and it all passes through with no effects? 

If you have respect for the plants just as any conscious entity, the plant will respect you. The realm of plants and fungi have a collective consciousness just as animals have a latent sentience as well. They do not appreciate being used as a mere plaything, a toy to escape with. Have reverence for your drugs. It's a relationship, not a carnival ride.

As Sirius said, it begins with cleansing and ritual, as well as mental and emotional preparation. Intent is the key. Go in with a clear plan.

Dance around the fire to shake out the knots in your nervous system. Drink plenty of water. And pay attention to your lessons without arrogance, ego, or pride. It is an intimate healing and learning process. I recommend everyone do it at least once a month for maintenance or 2-3 if you need especial healing.

I recommended everyone experience altered states of awareness on a routine basis. We sleep on a routine basis, right? So why not extend that out to other things: routine relaxation, routine meditation, routine prayer, routine study, routine creativity, routine playtime etc. 

Be humbled and learn.

[Maxmars]

I humbly submit... a reiteration....

INTENT IS EVERYTHING

Don't go along "kidding yourself" like a teenager thinking "I wanna do this!"
You probably won't, but you might experience something which could be a once in a lifetime message...

Don't ask me... ask around...

More on point; "Intent" is your 'representation'...

but I'm admittedly only a layman, perhaps I misunderstand.

[sahgwa]

Someone had a good point on another thread.
Are you sure you really honestly want to know THE TRUTH?
Will it make you/me go mad?
I think I would like to know everything.
I am greedy for knowledge and experience.
That's why I used to get into trouble!
Maybe if you dose me with THE TRUTH in small amounts I can work up a tolerance to it.

[AlroyFarms]

Someone had a good point on another thread.
Are you sure you really honestly want to know THE TRUTH?
Will it make you/me go mad?
I think I would like to know everything.
I am greedy for knowledge and experience.
That's why I used to get into trouble!
Maybe if you dose me with THE TRUTH in small amounts I can work up a tolerance to it.

In my experience, the healing doctors and mocking jesters out there will never take it too far. You know your limits, and they know you. 

It's not a race. We grow at our own pace. I'm a late bloomer myself.

[IgnorantGod]

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I recommended everyone experience altered states of awareness on a routine basis. We sleep on a routine basis, right? So why not extend that out to other things: routine relaxation, routine meditation, routine prayer, routine study, routine creativity, routine playtime etc. 

Be humbled and learn.

For what its worth, ASC (altered state consciousness) is kinda broad and can define an amalgame of effects and feelings. Thing is with psychedelics, I can't bring myself to recommend it to anyone, mainly due to lack of context.

As a simple anecdote to my point, there was a story a few years ago about a man in a reserve (native tribe), that killed his daughter. What wasn't mentioned when media published the story is that this man used to take mushrooms with his friends in his youth. At some point, he left the reserve to work, and had a kid with someone. I don't know the specific on the why he came back to the reserve with only his kid, suffice to say that after his return, he met back some ol' friends, and took mushrooms for ol' time sake. At the end, he killed his daughter during a psychosis.

So yeah, since I don't nor can't know other people sufficiently enough, I definitely wouldn't go out there recommending them to do strong enough drugs that might make them awaken the beast, so to speak. However, I do agree with the rest of your post.

[AlroyFarms]

So yeah, since I don't nor can't know other people sufficiently enough, I definitely wouldn't go out there recommending them to do strong enough drugs that might make them awaken the beast, so to speak. However, I do agree with the rest of your post.

Personal responsibility is the first thing I mentioned. Know how things effect you, know the risks. Have a sober and trusted friend or teacher help guide you through the process and batten you down when you get squirrely. Have a plan and do things right. 

The train doesn't need to stop because of a rare extreme example.