Physicists Find Artificial Objects Around Earth Before We Had Satellites

[BeyondKnowledge]

Right.. so why did you pick up this obvious flaw and the scientists who conducted the peer review did not?

Genuine question mate, I'm not taking the piss, I would sincerely like to hear your thoughts (also about the 'Menzel gap').

Cheers.

A geologist could peer review that paper. They would not understand the meaning of 50 minute exposure with a telescope. They only need to be scientists to review papers. They don't need to understand the subject matter. And they get paid to do that.

[imitator]

Thank you for the link to the POSS-1 survey.

That eliminates any objects in orbit.

The sky survey used long exposure plates. The link says 50 minutes. This means the film plate was exposed to the image for 50 minutes. And that means anything in orbit would be a line across the plate and not a star like dot as indicated. They could not even be within this solar system as that would cause streaking from the orbital movement around the Sun. 

Even geostationary objects would be streaks as the telescope was tacking with the stars or the stars  would be streaks. This also eliminates any advanced objects in powered orbits over fixed sites for Earth observation, they would streak also.

The indicated anomalies must be at star distances or artifacts within the telescope  and or photographic process.

Any moving object cannot make a dot along with other non moving dots in the same photographic exposure unless it is very short exposure like a snapshot. But that would mean the dim stars would not show up on the plates. 

The very text on the survey link proves they are not as what is being discussed in this thread.

Thanks again for the link.

Just a thought... an alien sat flash could appear as just a dot if the reflective surface caught the light for only a split second... maybe just a few hundredths of a second. Kind of like an Iridium flare, except those usually last 5–20 seconds longer and would appear as streaks.

But if it’s alien tech… who knows, haha. 

Anyway, that’s all it would take for it to look like a brief, bright dot in the sky. It’s actually pretty easy to do the math on that in astrophotography.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Just a thought... an alien sat flash could appear as just a dot if the reflective surface caught the light for only a split second... maybe just a few hundredths of a second. Kind of like an Iridium flare, except those usually last 5–20 seconds longer and would appear as streaks.

But if it’s alien tech… who knows, haha. 

Anyway, that’s all it would take for it to look like a brief, bright dot in the sky. It’s actually pretty easy to do the math on that in astrophotography.

The flash would have to be of a drightness proportional to the lack of time during an exposure. To show up near the brightness of a star on a 50 minute exposure would require 3000 times the  apparent brightness for one second. Too bright and it would be obvious and too dim and it would never be seen. 

Also it could not be repeating like a tumbling satalite or running lights during the exposure or until clear of view. That would make a dotted track on the plate. 

While it is easy to do the calculations for brightness and time, to what end? Glitch in a cloaking field? They made it invisible but for an instant. That would be deadly in combat. Thruster fire? Too dim or too bright depending on possible engine technology. 

If they were invisible for 1/3000 of the exposure, then why were they visible at all?

[Karl12]

The flash would have to be of a drightness proportional to the lack of time during an exposure. To show up near the brightness of a star on a 50 minute exposure would require 3000 times the  apparent brightness for one second. Too bright and it would be obvious and too dim and it would never be seen. 

Also it could not be repeating like a tumbling satalite or running lights during the exposure or until clear of view. That would make a dotted track on the plate. 

While it is easy to do the calculations for brightness and time, to what end? Glitch in a cloaking field? They made it invisible but for an instant. That would be deadly in combat. Thruster fire? Too dim or too bright depending on possible engine technology. 

If they were invisible for 1/3000 of the exposure, then why were they visible at all?

Good info - thank you

[imitator]

The flash would have to be of a drightness proportional to the lack of time during an exposure. To show up near the brightness of a star on a 50 minute exposure would require 3000 times the  apparent brightness for one second. Too bright and it would be obvious and too dim and it would never be seen. 

Also it could not be repeating like a tumbling satalite or running lights during the exposure or until clear of view. That would make a dotted track on the plate. 

While it is easy to do the calculations for brightness and time, to what end? Glitch in a cloaking field? They made it invisible but for an instant. That would be deadly in combat. Thruster fire? Too dim or too bright depending on possible engine technology. 

If they were invisible for 1/3000 of the exposure, then why were they visible at all?

Yeah, but that assumes film exposure is perfectly linear... which it isn’t. At 50 minutes, the film’s sensitivity drops off, so the 3000× brighter math doesn’t really work. A brief, intense reflection only needs to pass the film’s detection threshold, not match a star’s total light over 50 minutes.

If it were tumbling or had running lights, you’d see dotted trails.... But a single, well-timed glint from a reflective surface could hit once, last a few hundredths of a second, and still register as one sharp dot... no need for impossible brightness or exotic tech.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Yeah, but that assumes film exposure is perfectly linear... which it isn’t. At 50 minutes, the film’s sensitivity drops off, so the 3000× brighter math doesn’t really work. A brief, intense reflection only needs to pass the film’s detection threshold, not match a star’s total light over 50 minutes.

If it were tumbling or had running lights, you’d see dotted trails.... But a single, well-timed glint from a reflective surface could hit once, last a few hundredths of a second, and still register as one sharp dot... no need for impossible brightness or exotic tech.

That is possible but then there would be no way to tell how far away it was. Cound have been in low Earth orbit or light-years away.

I was trying to keep the calculations as simple as possible. The sensitivity  of the exposure does drop off with longer exposures but that can be complicated to explain.

I need to try my new eyepeice videocamera but it has been cloudy every opertunity I get. I was going to use it this coming weekend but it looks cloudy all weekend here. Should look great linked to my video projector for a group.

[Maxmars]

As far as I can tell, this dialogue is exactly why we should examine how, not exactly explaining or perhaps even understanding... presumptive assertions can balance out on their own.

But if I hadn't listened to the exchange, I wouldn't have learned as much....

I'm all for looking into what some people call bogus...

Not to ridicule or shame....
which is why I could never work for the new media regime...

[BeyondKnowledge]

As far as I can tell, this dialogue is exactly why we should examine how, not exactly explaining or perhaps even understanding... presumptive assertions can balance out on their own.

But if I hadn't listened to the exchange, I wouldn't have learned as much....

I'm all for looking into what some people call bogus...

Not to ridicule or shame....
which is why I could never work for the new media regime...

There is no need to shame or ridicule anyone. There is a problem of some just not knowing what they are seeing. 

Much like that the YouTube video of the little girl wanting to pet a bear but saying she wants to 'pet that dog'. 

Anyone can be wrong about something they don't know about. When they refuse to listen and learn, that is where the problem occurs.

[imitator]

BeyondKnowledge

That is possible but then there would be no way to tell how far away it was. Cound have been in low Earth orbit or light-years away.

I was trying to keep the calculations as simple as possible. The sensitivity  of the exposure does drop off with longer exposures but that can be complicated to explain.

I need to try my new eyepeice videocamera but it has been cloudy every opertunity I get. I was going to use it this coming weekend but it looks cloudy all weekend here. Should look great linked to my video projector for a group.

Yeah, no telling what’s really on those plates... would be interesting to see the film’s datasheets, if they even had any back then. Could be a bunch of different things. I’m just saying… what if... 

I’ve recently picked up some old cameras myself... thinking about trying some black-and-white photography. Seems like a fun rabbit hole to get into.

Hope the weather clears up for you soon! 

[rickymouse]

They were probably Big Macs that got thrown into space by astronauts many thousands of  years ago...during the first industrial revolution when the original fast foods killed everyone.  Those big macs will be there for a million years floating around.