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(11-12-2025, 11:38 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: The change is the internet. They now have a voice to be heard around the world no matter if they are right or wrong. Being correct for some doesn't matter as long as they are popular with someone listining.
Flatearthers fit the same category.
It may be an arctic pole phenomenon which can't yet be properly explained. I will keep an open mind.
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(11-12-2025, 11:50 AM)quintessentone Wrote: It may be an arctic pole phenomenon which can't yet be properly explained. I will keep an open mind.
Plese specify which pole. The magnetic pole or the rotational pole? They both are in the Arctic but are not the same thing. Unfortunately they are both commonly called the North pole.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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(11-12-2025, 11:56 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: Plese specify which pole. The magnetic pole or the rotational pole? They both are in the Arctic but are not the same thing. Unfortunately they are both commonly called the North pole.
We are off topic. If you want to discuss Earth's rotational shifting axis please make a new thread.
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(11-12-2025, 09:49 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: The Sun rises and sets in a different spot each day. That is how the seasons work. In winter, it is further south. In summer it is further north. It is opposite for the southern hemisphere but we are talking of the North reagon.
As I said before, if the Earth's rotational axis shifted a noticable amount to be seen by the naked eye, the big telescopes would have to be disassembles and remounted to work.
I haven't seen any stories of demolition and rebuilding of observatories to remount telescopes in the past 100 years or more. Can you provide evidence of that?
I think that the reason that they are noticing a difference way north is because the magnetic field is being changed. If it thickens or lessens, it does effect the angle of the sun somewhat. You can notice this at sunset sometimes, the sun kind of freezes in one spot, and five minutes later it is set completely...because the image interacts with the atmosphere to make an image, the sun is already set but then it's image disappears quickly when the sun goes down a little farther. Sometimes the setting sun also appears pillar like, I have seen that one time, I thought it was a reflection from Lake Superior, but actually it was formed by the atmosphere.
With the information now available on the internet you can find out lots of earth science stuff. Like I was wondering why the leaves on the trees were more red one year, usually they range from yellow in the fall to some being red. I looked it up, when the tree is more stressed with insects or deer chewing on it, the tree makes more antibrowsing chemistry...which turns the leaves more red in the fall. If pests are low, the leaves are more yellow or even tan colored. But I read a bunch of articles red by so called professionals before finding one...then wording it properly I found at least six more...that explained what was happening. Also in that research I found that the reason the leaves turn color is because some nutrients in the soil were being depleted, the falling leaves replace the nutrients along with the natural microbes in the woods or clearings, so the next year the plants or trees can start all over. This makes the colors of the trees occur at different times in the fall.
Being that I could not work for the last twenty two years, I had more time to investigate multiple things, it is not just food chemistry, pharma chemistry and how it is discovered. It is not just metabolism and genetics, I studied a lot of different subjects so I would not get bored. Not many people have the time to do what I do, my interest has been medicine and disease since I was in premed to be a doctor back in the early seventies, and I learned a lot about the desire of the medical field to increase the need for their profession even back then and to find relief from feeling guilty by blaming the patients for not eating right. So I figured since I no longer could work because of my epilepsy, I would focus my studies on food science and hack pharma methods of action...Because I am so intolerant to many of the meds they prescribe. I used to know lots of doctors in the past, because that has been an interest of mine since I was about twelve, I learned how to talk to them and they would tell me ways to help not need medicines. But now, finding a doctor like that is hard, so I had to do my own research.
But just studying medicine and pharmacology and food chemistry alone isn't fun, so I studied many sciences to get some variability...I study natural plant chemistries in nature also that can be used to heal, local plants in our area. Who cares about something found in China....so I find if something here or we can buy locally is related to the asian medicinal plants, and find it may be in real maple syrup which we can get locally or make ourselves...that is just one example, there is also white pine needle tea, which is for a different disease.
But it is nice having the time to research and learn stuff like atmosphere and the sun and newly discovered stuff too, and even though it does not seem related to something, it often effects things people do not even equate it with. Like the newly discovered properties from the mission to the sun...it relates directly to human activity, especially when we are so reliant on technology these days.
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11-12-2025, 01:39 PM
This post was last modified: 11-12-2025, 01:57 PM by quintessentone. 
(11-12-2025, 12:36 PM)rickymouse Wrote: I think that the reason that they are noticing a difference way north is because the magnetic field is being changed. If it thickens or lessens, it does effect the angle of the sun somewhat. You can notice this at sunset sometimes, the sun kind of freezes in one spot, and five minutes later it is set completely...because the image interacts with the atmosphere to make an image, the sun is already set but then it's image disappears quickly when the sun goes down a little farther. Sometimes the setting sun also appears pillar like, I have seen that one time, I thought it was a reflection from Lake Superior, but actually it was formed by the atmosphere.
With the information now available on the internet you can find out lots of earth science stuff. Like I was wondering why the leaves on the trees were more red one year, usually they range from yellow in the fall to some being red. I looked it up, when the tree is more stressed with insects or deer chewing on it, the tree makes more antibrowsing chemistry...which turns the leaves more red in the fall. If pests are low, the leaves are more yellow or even tan colored. But I read a bunch of articles red by so called professionals before finding one...then wording it properly I found at least six more...that explained what was happening. Also in that research I found that the reason the leaves turn color is because some nutrients in the soil were being depleted, the falling leaves replace the nutrients along with the natural microbes in the woods or clearings, so the next year the plants or trees can start all over. This makes the colors of the trees occur at different times in the fall.
Being that I could not work for the last twenty two years, I had more time to investigate multiple things, it is not just food chemistry, pharma chemistry and how it is discovered. It is not just metabolism and genetics, I studied a lot of different subjects so I would not get bored. Not many people have the time to do what I do, my interest has been medicine and disease since I was in premed to be a doctor back in the early seventies, and I learned a lot about the desire of the medical field to increase the need for their profession even back then and to find relief from feeling guilty by blaming the patients for not eating right. So I figured since I no longer could work because of my epilepsy, I would focus my studies on food science and hack pharma methods of action...Because I am so intolerant to many of the meds they prescribe. I used to know lots of doctors in the past, because that has been an interest of mine since I was about twelve, I learned how to talk to them and they would tell me ways to help not need medicines. But now, finding a doctor like that is hard, so I had to do my own research.
But just studying medicine and pharmacology and food chemistry alone isn't fun, so I studied many sciences to get some variability...I study natural plant chemistries in nature also that can be used to heal, local plants in our area. Who cares about something found in China....so I find if something here or we can buy locally is related to the asian medicinal plants, and find it may be in real maple syrup which we can get locally or make ourselves...that is just one example, there is also white pine needle tea, which is for a different disease.
But it is nice having the time to research and learn stuff like atmosphere and the sun and newly discovered stuff too, and even though it does not seem related to something, it often effects things people do not even equate it with. Like the newly discovered properties from the mission to the sun...it relates directly to human activity, especially when we are so reliant on technology these days.
They not only noticed different sun/moon/star positions but they are saying the wind directions have changed as well - along with all the other devastating changes they are noticing. They specifically mentioned that with the sun remaining higher up for longer that the Sun is creating an increased warming effect, but that is their belief, I'm not sure what is driving the weather/temperature changes there.
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(11-12-2025, 01:39 PM)quintessentone Wrote: They not only noticed different sun/moon/star positions but they are saying the wind directions have changed as well - along with all the other devastating changes they are noticing.
Earths axis angle has changed about two feet in the last twenty years, probably not anything they would be able to see up there. The magnetic north pole moving pretty far lately might be able to distort their view of the stars a bit, and the sun and moons picture hitting the atmosphere might also change a lot. We see these things when the energy makes a picture on the atmosphere field, The moon and sun would appear different in space than what we see here on earth from what I read. I was wondering how come the moon was looking weird in the sky for me with the temporal lobe epilepsy, actually it is blurred, many images as it interact with the atmosphere come to our eyes, and the temporal lobe puts them into one, making the moon like like a ball and clear. I thought my eyes were getting real bad, but it was the temporal lobe damage that stopped the condensing of the image.
So, basically, the moon does not really look like what we see, but we adapt to condensing it to a sharp image...well, most people do....unless their mind can't do it anymore. With that research I read, it applies to lots of things, nothing is really as clear as we think it is. I still have that problem when I am tired yet, but once I learned this, I at least understand this now. When anyone is real tired their image of the moon will be somewhat blurry, and even if we see a picture of the moon, our minds will filter it into what we perceive as the moon in real life.
So, I learned something important, nothing is really as it appears to be.
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11-12-2025, 02:13 PM
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(11-12-2025, 02:07 PM)rickymouse Wrote: Earths axis angle has changed about two feet in the last twenty years, probably not anything they would be able to see up there. The magnetic north pole moving pretty far lately might be able to distort their view of the stars a bit, and the sun and moons picture hitting the atmosphere might also change a lot. We see these things when the energy makes a picture on the atmosphere field, The moon and sun would appear different in space than what we see here on earth from what I read. I was wondering how come the moon was looking weird in the sky for me with the temporal lobe epilepsy, actually it is blurred, many images as it interact with the atmosphere come to our eyes, and the temporal lobe puts them into one, making the moon like like a ball and clear. I thought my eyes were getting real bad, but it was the temporal lobe damage that stopped the condensing of the image.
So, basically, the moon does not really look like what we see, but we adapt to condensing it to a sharp image...well, most people do....unless their mind can't do it anymore. With that research I read, it applies to lots of things, nothing is really as clear as we think it is. I still have that problem when I am tired yet, but once I learned this, I at least understand this now. When anyone is real tired their image of the moon will be somewhat blurry, and even if we see a picture of the moon, our minds will filter it into what we perceive as the moon in real life.
So, I learned something important, nothing is really as it appears to be.
Still, GRACE Tellus and NASA are chiming in with their particular study on what may be happening and their view is from space.
"NASA uses the vantage point of space to increase our understanding of our home planet, improve lives and safeguard our future. NASA develops new ways to observe and study Earth's interconnected natural systems with long-term data records. The agency freely shares this unique knowledge and works with institutions around the world to gain new insights into how our planet is changing."
NASA Study Solves Two Mysteries About Wobbling Earth – GRACE Tellus
It's a good thing to have different points of research to figure out the truth.
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(11-12-2025, 02:13 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Still, GRACE Tellus and NASA are chiming in with their particular study on what may be happening and their view is from space.
"NASA uses the vantage point of space to increase our understanding of our home planet, improve lives and safeguard our future. NASA develops new ways to observe and study Earth's interconnected natural systems with long-term data records. The agency freely shares this unique knowledge and works with institutions around the world to gain new insights into how our planet is changing."
NASA Study Solves Two Mysteries About Wobbling Earth – GRACE Tellus
It's a good thing to have different points of research to figure out the truth.
It is probably a combination of things that are changing that add up to what people are perceiving. I think farther up north or farther down south, the perception of the change may be more noticeable too. I won't discount what the inuit up there are saying, I am just trying to put things together to possibly explain it. That NASA study you posted is probably relevent to the changes that are occuring but I think it is a combination of many things that are happening. We are mining out the dipoles of the earth too, which may have something to do with the alteration of the tilt, not just ground water. Diamond pipes can be dipoles, and so can almost any metal deposits. Usually the more high the crystaline structure of the metals makes things more geomagnetic active I believe. They did a lot of mining up in the UP and I knew some of the engineers working at the mine and they told me some stuff about how mining effects the magnetic field...one mentioned dipoles.
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(11-12-2025, 02:29 PM)rickymouse Wrote: It is probably a combination of things that are changing that add up to what people are perceiving. I think farther up north or farther down south, the perception of the change may be more noticeable too. I won't discount what the inuit up there are saying, I am just trying to put things together to possibly explain it. That NASA study you posted is probably relevent to the changes that are occuring but I think it is a combination of many things that are happening. We are mining out the dipoles of the earth too, which may have something to do with the alteration of the tilt, not just ground water. Diamond pipes can be dipoles, and so can almost any metal deposits. Usually the more high the crystaline structure of the metals makes things more geomagnetic active I believe. They did a lot of mining up in the UP and I knew some of the engineers working at the mine and they told me some stuff about how mining effects the magnetic field...one mentioned dipoles.
Actually right now as we post they are building new roads for new mining ventures up there, so it will be interesting to pay heed to any additional changes the Inuit witness after these new mining ventures take off.
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I like our Sun. Its having its solar maximum, and I think we can say there a weakened magnetic field now. This cycle is more active with Aurora.
Twice now we've had a pale mauve marine layer. Light pollution and clouds make it suck to photograph, but its there. We're are 32° and this one was clearly seen to 13°.
Its weird. These things are ranked by a metric called Distrubances Storm Time (DST) in nano teslas (nT). May 2024 was either -412 nT or -518 nT depending on source. And The Carrington Event was -1760 nT.
Yesterday's was peaked near -240 nT making it the 5th strongest of this cycle. Or 3rd strongest event over multiple days.
99% of G4 Severe conditions. Supposedly not as strong, but i am starting two give attention to the upcoming pole shift hypothesis, because weaker storms are sending aurora further south then any time in memory.
The numbers seem too low and the effect too great as even compared to 1989 or 2003.
You'll know an actual pole shift is coming when the aurora keeps drifting further south outside of predicted visability models, and no one really pays attention to why.
ESA say 5% decrease in magnetosphere strength per decade after losing 15% in 150 years.
https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observi...ive_shield
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