Oak Island - Discussion

[putnam6]

I was always told, "If you don't have anything nice to say."

But also told, "when in Rome."

So gonna do the geology thing.

I think people are looking at a naturally formed vertical limestone cave or sinkhole. The bedrock of oak Island was formed hundreds of millions of years ago and the part of the island in question has VERY HEAVY deposits of limestone of gypsum. This is vertical cave and sinkhole prone. Which are actually formed slightly different.


Source:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot...-1.5573186

Nova Scotia is pretty much Swiss cheese of undiscovered "money pits," and sedimentary formations called polystrate (upright) fossils, which new earth theorists love to try to use for creationist arguments without realizing their evidence is 300 million years old.

And by Money Pit I mean The History Channel is throwing money into a cave or sinkhole, but takes in more revenue than it costs to make a 12 season show about a likely figment of lore.

Why not just go try to The Superstition Mountains, which are volcanic in origin, and search for The Lost Dutchman Gold if you want to waste everyone's time on something debunked by dry boring science.

In fact, I think they do a show on that, and gave up relatively quickly.

Like they could've hired an undergrad student to say, "Well, The Superstitions were formed from a volcanic arc that existed 20 million years go, and the process which creates veins of gold deposits are not possible in Igneous formations as stated. Only trace amounts carried my magma can exist."

Same thing in the money Pit. Both have premises blown open at their foundation by the geology of the area. And there is a much more mundane reason for the vertical shaft. It's certainly close enough to water.

Worth noting is Oak Island is really new (sorta of). The silt and clay on top of the Mississippian and Ordovician deposits of limestone and gypsum are post Younger Dryas. While the bedrock is millions of years old the earth and clay was deposited at the end of the last ice age.

Just so much wrong, and I can't watch those excavation shows without loudly asking, "Would you people use a real fucking geologist occasionally?"

But it's enthralling if they don't get much into the science part of it.

Is it possible this was intricately created by people way back when, but more likely just some collapsed cave or sinkhole with a nice story attached.

Think we had an Oak Island thread back in the day on ATS before the show.

This theory always made more sense, even more so after watching the show watched till season 5. It wasnt designed to flood, it was just the geological composition and erosion.

This doesn't mean there wasnt treasure at one time...I bet the real history is exciting enough regardless, but the pirates building booby traps for thier booty is a better story

What do I know... Ive become a fan of Hidden History, separating fact from fiction intrigues the hell out of me,

Hunting Hitler uses somewhat the same formula, but I can binge-watch that and think what if for an hour or so....

Oak Island ran out of steam for me, but I always enjoyed the brothers; they are about my age. I can relate a little

[Johnny Canuck]

Think we had an Oak Island thread back in the day on ATS before the show.

Yes, I contributed to that at the time, and was prescient enough to save my parts of the narrative. I might post that if there is any interest.

[putnam6]

Yes, I contributed to that at the time, and was prescient enough to save my parts of the narrative. I might post that if there is any interest.

Yes please do Id enjoy that, Id read it

[Maxmars]

Yes, I contributed to that at the time, and was prescient enough to save my parts of the narrative. I might post that if there is any interest.

I would also love to retain that bit of history... our history... not theirs.  Please do. 

[SomeStupidName]

I think there is a connection to Knight's Templar, the Sinclaire family and Vikings/Normans. We know the vikings where in north America in 1021 ce, the Sinclaire's had viking connections The Roman empire was collapsing new enemies where entering the game the Normans eventually fell to France but England if I recall right kept their lands. seems like the perfect time to keep the knowledge of an undiscovered country a secret especially since those settlements were no longer sustainable and had to abandoned. Then then the order to eliminate the Templar's I think they sailed north to Scotland helped in a little skirmish which drew some attention and for the help they told how to get to a new unknown land. Obviously the evidence doesn't exist but the stories do and it could just be a story but some of the finds, for me adds a little fuel to the stories in particular the Roman coins and lead cross but they do have other interesting finds.

[Oldcarpy2]

I started watching it but it just turned into the TV equivalent of click bait and I gave up.

[Johnny Canuck]

So this is what I posted...20 years ago? (how do I post an image)

I've been interested in Oak Island ever since I got my treasure map in a box of Shreddies...far too long ago. I am what's called an 'avocational' archaeologist, which is to say I have some academic training in the subject and hold a licence to conduct limited activity. I just don't get paid...
So about 5 years ago, I was put in contact with another avocational who ... introduced me to an 'intuitive archaeologist'...a recognised psychic, if you will (George McMullen). We walked some sites together and truth is I haven't checked out some of the details he came up with, but I am still able to...another story.

My associate and the psychic actually went to Oak Island and talked with the partner who is usually on site (Blankenship). One of the external threads supplied here said no artifacts are known to exist. Not so, as the few links of gold chain were produced at this meeting. The psychic held them, and subsequently associated them with the treasure of the Templars. The way I heard it, the psychic was actually given a link to take along and study further. The owner of the site, in turn, apparently believes the gold to have a different provenance. He stated that during the Spanish looting of Central and South America, all the treasure went to Havana, where it was catalogued and put aboard the treasure ships to Spain.

The story goes that the bureaucrat in charge would skim his cut off the top, and add it to his own hoard. He supposedly buried that in sites up the eastern seaboard, and it remains lost to this day. The Oak Island guy saw this as the source of the loot. (George was an old man at this point and passed away shortly thereafter) And Sinclair's castle in New Ross? Not so. The supposed ruins just aren't, simple as that, and this comes from someone in a position to know.

There you are, then. A little more added to the mystery...sorry I can't do (all the) names, but you're getting the story some five years old, and a couple names I need to keep to myself. I did see Oak Island from the end of the causeway, though, and ate a Lobster Roll at a nearby restaurant...looking at the island. A fine moment.

That was then...
 

[quintessentone]

So this is what I posted...20 years ago? (how do I post an image)

I've been interested in Oak Island ever since I got my treasure map in a box of Shreddies...far too long ago. I am what's called an 'avocational' archaeologist, which is to say I have some academic training in the subject and hold a licence to conduct limited activity. I just don't get paid...
So about 5 years ago, I was put in contact with another avocational who ... introduced me to an 'intuitive archaeologist'...a recognised psychic, if you will (George McMullen). We walked some sites together and truth is I haven't checked out some of the details he came up with, but I am still able to...another story.

My associate and the psychic actually went to Oak Island and talked with the partner who is usually on site (Blankenship). One of the external threads supplied here said no artifacts are known to exist. Not so, as the few links of gold chain were produced at this meeting. The psychic held them, and subsequently associated them with the treasure of the Templars. The way I heard it, the psychic was actually given a link to take along and study further. The owner of the site, in turn, apparently believes the gold to have a different provenance. He stated that during the Spanish looting of Central and South America, all the treasure went to Havana, where it was catalogued and put aboard the treasure ships to Spain.

The story goes that the bureaucrat in charge would skim his cut off the top, and add it to his own hoard. He supposedly buried that in sites up the eastern seaboard, and it remains lost to this day. The Oak Island guy saw this as the source of the loot. (George was an old man at this point and passed away shortly thereafter) And Sinclair's castle in New Ross? Not so. The supposed ruins just aren't, simple as that, and this comes from someone in a position to know.

There you are, then. A little more added to the mystery...sorry I can't do (all the) names, but you're getting the story some five years old, and a couple names I need to keep to myself. I did see Oak Island from the end of the causeway, though, and ate a Lobster Roll at a nearby restaurant...looking at the island. A fine moment.

That was then...
 

I was reading that in the ancient and more recent past people did not bury their coin/gold hoards very deep in the ground, however would it not stand to reason you would not want to hire anyone to dig deep holes for you as they may figure out why and dig it up later? Or hire people to dig it up then they might rob you?

My question is why does anyone think any treasure would not have been dug up or found by people using metal detectors along the sea coasts?

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"Gary grew up in Grimsby, a Lincolnshire port town where the Humber tidal estuary meets the North Sea. It’s a far cry from the gold-sand beaches of South Florida where Gary now lives, or Nova Scotia where he hunts for treasure with The Curse of Oak Island team."

"His finds eventually saw him invited to join The Curse of Oak Island team. He’s the resident metal detecting expert and works alongside treasure hunters Rick and Marty Lagina."

"Gary credits his unique beach and water hunting methods, as well as his well-honed site reading skills he cheekily refers to as his 'twin optical scanners'.
 'A metal detector is just another string for my treasure hunting bow, a tool I use to compliment the eyes-only skills I learned along the way,' says Gary.
 
So, while you’re often see Gary trawling the beach with a state-of-the-art metal detector, you’ll just as likely find him in nothing but a swimming costume and a snorkel, hunting for treasure with his trusty twin optical scanners."

Who is Gary Drayton? The detectorist striking gold on Oak Island | Sky HISTORY TV Channel

If there was treasure, I think it was dug up long ago because the treasure hunters should have found it by now. Just my 2 cents.

[Johnny Canuck]

My question is why does anyone think any treasure would not have been dug up or found by people using metal detectors along the sea coasts?

Given the assumed scale of the treasure, it would not be something picked up by a standard metal detector such as Gary uses. And as to the thoughts that the treasure has long been recovered, I would think that a large amount of bullion hitting the global economy would leave ripples...even in the 1800s.

[quintessentone]

Given the assumed scale of the treasure, it would not be something picked up by a standard metal detector such as Gary uses. And as to the thoughts that the treasure has long been recovered, I would think that a large amount of bullion hitting the global economy would leave ripples...even in the 1800s.

Excellent counter points. But do we know exactly how big these treasures/hoards were? And if it were dug up shortly after burying it then there would be no ripples back then.