'No big deal" Just an atmospheric phenomenon' some outages green energy absolved

[putnam6]

There was a lot of misinformation in the first 2 hours, after that information started being more consistent.
After 12 hours most people in Spain and all people in Portugal had power again and although there was an explanation they already knew (and so did the public) that everything pointed to the problem having started in the southwest of Spain.


I don't understand why you say that. Why would anyone say they were about to go dark?


Exactly, which means that nuclear power in itself is not a sure safeguard, planning and testing is better.

No, I'm suggesting IF Europe was in danger of going dark because of some cascading failure, it's doubtful TPTB would admit such a possible failure publicly

As for the nuclear power plants, they might need to be told to respond differently instead of shutting down. Again, my understanding they might have lessened the cascading effect by balancing the load if they remained active.

[BeyondKnowledge]

No, I'm suggesting IF Europe was in danger of going dark because of some cascading failure, it's doubtful TPTB would admit such a possible failure publicly

As for the nuclear power plants, they might need to be told to respond differently instead of shutting down. Again, my understanding they might have lessened the cascading effect by balancing the load if they remained active.

Nuclear power generators can only do so much. They shut down to protect the generators in this case. Better to go dark for a day than spend weeks rebuilding the equipment.

The real question is why 3 were down at the same time for maintenance. Very bad planning.

[quintessentone]

Government fails, again! Look after yourself first, nobody else will.

[ArMaP]

I am wrong in saying that Socialists control the majority of the Portuguese Parliament and that one of the parties logos is the usual Socialist upraised fist? 

You are wrong in the first part and right in the second.

Socialists do not control the majority of the Portuguese Parliament, an alliance between the Social (not Socialist) Democratic Party (PSD) and the Social and Democratic Centre - People's Party (CDS-PP) controls the Portuguese party, at least until May 18, when we are going to have the next elections.

The Socialist Party (PS) is a centre-left party, the PSD is a centre-right party and the CDS-PP is a right, Christian Democracy party.

PS does have a fist as their logo, but they stopped being a really left party many years ago.

Or are you claiming that neither party are Progressive?

I do not really know what "progressive" means in this context, we do not usually associate that word with politics in Portugal. In fact, many of the names used in the US to classify politics stopped being used in Portugal in the 19th century or so.

[ArMaP]

No, I'm suggesting IF Europe was in danger of going dark because of some cascading failure, it's doubtful TPTB would admit such a possible failure publicly

OK, I understand it now.

As for the nuclear power plants, they might need to be told to respond differently instead of shutting down. Again, my understanding they might have lessened the cascading effect by balancing the load if they remained active.

Having 3/5 of the nuclear power plants shut down for maintenance is not a good idea either.

[MBSC]

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You really are fumbling understanding how Trump has nothing to do with this topic and ArMaP lives in Portugal where drugs were decriminalized 25 years ago.

[ArMaP]

Mod Note: Post removed for Manners & Decorum violation.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

[putnam6]

 In 2023, both countries generated around 40% of their electricity from these sources. Wind power is more prevalent in Portugal, while solar is more used in Spain.

https://x.com/mib_63/status/1917909278242869743

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@mib_63
=#ffffffPortugal has suspended electricity trade with Spain following a recent blackout. Portugal's electricity system operator says the problem originated in Spain and is seeking clarification on all the circumstances.
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[sahgwa]

You are wrong in the first part and right in the second.

Socialists do not control the majority of the Portuguese Parliament, an alliance between the Social (not Socialist) Democratic Party (PSD) and the Social and Democratic Centre - People's Party (CDS-PP) controls the Portuguese party, at least until May 18, when we are going to have the next elections.

The Socialist Party (PS) is a centre-left party, the PSD is a centre-right party and the CDS-PP is a right, Christian Democracy party.

PS does have a fist as their logo, but they stopped being a really left party many years ago.


I do not really know what "progressive" means in this context, we do not usually associate that word with politics in Portugal. In fact, many of the names used in the US to classify politics stopped being used in Portugal in the 19th century or so.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree- as I view any parties claiming 'Social Democracy'  or Social something, as Socialist in action and nature, and their support of many policies of what would be called 'progressive' in the States as further cementing this, regardless of if Wikipedia or majority consensus calls them 'centre' or 'centre right' . 

So when you include their 33 percent, and add it to the Socialist Party's 33 percent , you get a majority Socialist government, but the main point is they are all in the palm of the 'progressive' policies coming out of the EU in Brussels anyway. 

Hence back to my initial point, even if the failure is mainly due to green energy systems along the line, whether inverters or more, they will never admit it.

[ArMaP]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree- as I view any parties claiming 'Social Democracy'  or Social something, as Socialist in action and nature, and their support of many policies of what would be called 'progressive' in the States as further cementing this, regardless of if Wikipedia or majority consensus calls them 'centre' or 'centre right' . 

Your point of view does not change reality.

Hence back to my initial point, even if the failure is mainly due to green energy systems along the line, whether inverters or more, they will never admit it.

They can always shift the blame to the companies running the power plants.