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CriticalStinker · 10-19-2025, 09:50 AM

(10-19-2025, 08:29 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: If you think J6 was about Biden, you might be as politically illiterate as those who protested a "king" in a country with no king.

The trucker protests were about unconstitutional mandates, not Biden being a "king" he was just a btain drad meat puppet

J6 was a protest about the election, saying Biden/Election is semantics.

A lot of those mandates were also issued at the state level, and happened before him, though I agree many/most were unconstitutional, that's why SCOTUS ruled against some of them... Just like student loan forgiveness.

But I see the right struggling with the same arrogance now that they have won. They call all of this a mandate even though it was just the winning of an election. They act as if they can institute their agenda by any means possible, sound familiar?

There are unconstitutional mandates right now, so why wouldn't people be able to protest that?

Executive order ending birthright citizenship (I agree this needs to be addressed, but in no way can an executive order do that, or have the power to)
Sweeping tariffs. This is a power of congress, not the president, outlined in the constitution. The justification for him being able to do it is the IEEAP, which doesn't even mention tariffs. Even if it did, it wouldn't supersede the constitution.
Freedom of speech/expression. Several instances here, but Trump made an executive order criminalizing the burning of the flag, something SCOTUS ruled was freedom of speech/expression. Any argument it is anything otherwise is moot since Trump said in no uncertain terms that he was going after freedom of speech on this issue.
Trying to ignore how congress has allocated funds
Trying to sanction law firms and universities for speech

While some of those have more nuanced arguments, some are indisputable as it's just plainly worded.

The issue is both partisan sides believe they are so morally grounded, nothing else matters. They can't see the hypocrisy they engage in. They both consistently flip flop on what they ran on and why they won.

BeyondKnowledge · 10-19-2025, 09:54 AM

(10-19-2025, 09:42 AM)RichardHurt Wrote: I would much rather instead of slimming down, just get rid of it and let the states govern themselves.
Fuck big government

So, now you are proposing state to state warfare instead of the current USA government? That is what you are describing.

I had rather not have that as I live near a corner of my state and would be involved in any conflict with two other states. I also like being able to visit those two states occasionally and have friends in both.

You don't seem to have thought this through.

Oldcarpy2 · 10-19-2025, 09:58 AM

Semantics about "Kings" aside, this seems to be a peaceful protest by millions of Americans.

But the MAGA crowd dismiss them as illiterate idiots.

Ho, hum.....

BeyondKnowledge · 10-19-2025, 10:05 AM

(10-19-2025, 09:58 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Semantics about "Kings" aside, this seems to be a peaceful protest by millions of Americans.

But the MAGA crowd dismiss them as illiterate idiots.

Ho, hum.....

Both sides consider the other illiterate. This is because their dictionaries use the same words but have different meanings.

It is all about which way one eats their buttered toast. Butter up or down.

Oldcarpy2 · 10-19-2025, 10:13 AM

(10-19-2025, 10:05 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: Both sides consider the other illiterate. This is because their dictionaries use the same words but have different meanings.

It is all about which way one eats their buttered toast. Butter up or down.

That seems to be the problem over there. Partisan hatred on both sides.

Mind you, the fact that the protests seem to have been peaceful may be disappointing some folk....

BeyondKnowledge · 10-19-2025, 10:17 AM

(10-19-2025, 10:13 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: That seems to be the problem over there. Partisan hatred on both sides.

Mind you, the fact that the protests seem to have been peaceful may be disappointing some folk....

I am all for peaceful protests. I checked the local plans for this event and stayed home during that time.

Then again, I would do this for most protests. Less problems that way.

CriticalStinker · 10-19-2025, 11:26 AM

(10-19-2025, 09:54 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: So, now you are proposing state to state warfare instead of the current USA government? That is what you are describing.

I had rather not have that as I live near a corner of my state and would be involved in any conflict with two other states. I also like being able to visit those two states occasionally and have friends in both.

You don't seem to have thought this through.

He literally described the position of the right for the last few decades up until now. Limited federal government, expanded state governance.

BeyondKnowledge · 10-19-2025, 11:27 AM

Shall we put this in perspective population wise? The attendence for this protest was less then 1/4 of 1% of the total population of the USA. Reported as over 7 million nation wide of 340 million total population.

BeyondKnowledge · 10-19-2025, 11:30 AM

(10-19-2025, 11:26 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: He literally described the position of the right for the last few decades up until now. Limited federal government, expanded state governance.

Do I have to quote you as supporting the elimination of the federal government of the USA. You said that using other words.

CriticalStinker · 10-19-2025, 11:41 AM

(10-19-2025, 11:30 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: Do I have to quote you as supporting the elimination of the federal government of the USA. You said that using other words.

The other member you responded to and myself both said slimming down of the federal government, and expanding state governance.

That's not an extremist or new sentiment in this country.