Net Zero advocates propose ticks to induce red meat allergy as climate solution

[Kwaka]

I skimmed the article and I’m left asking what Net Zero has to do with any of it

As a carbon based life form, the idea of shutting down the carbon cycle does present problems.

As what ticks have to do with net zero, follow the money to the same group think of globalist eugenics. When it comes to getting funding for these kind of gain of function projects, not a lot of sources available. Gonna take some of that 'useless eaters' vibe to throw money at this one.

[quintessentone]

Oh? I personally disregard any idea of fairness as it doesn't equate to nature and its rules. You must be a sheltered soul that considers basic reality as being outside of your subjective construct. If you somehow don't understand this, please don't respond as I surely won't.

I will add that the laws are clear and they need to be held to the laws, regardless of what anyone believes, like you.

If you personally disregard any idea of fairness as it doesn't equate to nature and its rules, then the unnatural overpopulation of beef and dairy cows, exuding high levels of methane, breaks all the rules of nature, enter bioethicists looking for solutions to the non-natural predicament. See how that works?

"The Impact of Overcrowding on Dairy Cow Welfare: Stress, Health, and Behavioral Issues

Overcrowded circumstances harm dairy cows’ welfare, causing physical pain and other issues. Competition for food and rest places leads to elevated stress levels, which may weaken immune function and increase susceptibility to illnesses like mastitis and respiratory infections. Crowded herds might lead to behavioral difficulties. Cows become more aggressive as they fight for space, inflicting injuries and disrupting herd peace. Stress and dissatisfaction may cause aberrant repeated behaviors like frequent licking and pacing, indicating significant welfare inadequacies."

Why “Crowded Cows” Are a Growing Concern: The Impact on Dairy Farm Production | The Bullvine

"Animal Health:Morbidity and mortality, particularly with stockers and cattle feeders, remains an ongoing concern. In spite of a remarkable array of quality animal health products and a changing approach to cattle handling and management courtesy of the Beef Quality Assurance (BQA) program, the beef business is making little headway in moving the needle. Is it, as some suggest, a result of the industry’s push to produce bigger, faster-growing cattle?"

Top 10 issues facing beef producers

[Kwaka]

Overcrowded circumstances harm dairy cows’ welfare,

It harms all animals when overcrowd as things become more hostile and proper resources strained. Caged chickens started as a result of WW2 where labor was strained while egg demand was still high. Its economic advantage has kept the trend going. Personally, I don't paying a few extra dollars for the free range.

[MichSwampbuck]

If you personally disregard any idea of fairness as it doesn't equate to nature and its rules, then the unnatural overpopulation of beef and dairy cows, exuding high levels of methane, breaks all the rules of nature, enter bioethicists looking for solutions to the non-natural predicament. See how that works?

You seem to think that humans operate outside of the rules of nature, that humans are unnatural. Methane is as natural as anything can be and massive wild herds of animals will produce as much as any domesticated animals will. We kill off and manage wildlife, only to replace it with our new and improved domesticated herds and nature cares not.

Methane from organic material under ground is a deadly problem if it gets released suddenly. Things like methane are all natural and has jack to do with humans. We find ourselves being blamed for the warming trend the Earth is undergoing currently, something we can never hope to control even if that were true. We are being blamed for our natural characteristics, but we never had control of anything and no one asked to be born.

If we mess with nature in an attempt correct these "problems", or remake it to "improve on" nature, this is folly. Humans are meaningless and unimportant where nature is concerned as extinction and survival of the fittest are the rules. Cow farts vs tinkering with DNA or cloud seeding or any other misguided human endeavors, what is truly unnatural here? Things are as nature intended and if humans drive ourselves extinct and take most of the life on Earth with us, this too is natural and nature will never bat an eye over it.


Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face.
Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race.

On the sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place.
If the summer changed to winter, yours is no disgrace.

"Yours is No Disgrace" lyrics by Yes

[quintessentone]

You seem to think that humans operate outside of the rules of nature, that humans are unnatural. Methane is as natural as anything can be and massive wild herds of animals will produce as much as any domesticated animals will. We kill off and manage wildlife, only to replace it with our new and improved domesticated herds and nature cares not.

Methane from organic material under ground is a deadly problem if it gets released suddenly. Things like methane are all natural and has jack to do with humans. We find ourselves being blamed for the warming trend the Earth is undergoing currently, something we can never hope to control even if that were true. We are being blamed for our natural characteristics, but we never had control of anything and no one asked to be born.

If we mess with nature in an attempt correct these "problems", or remake it to "improve on" nature, this is folly. Humans are meaningless and unimportant where nature is concerned as extinction and survival of the fittest are the rules. Cow farts vs tinkering with DNA or cloud seeding or any other misguided human endeavors, what is truly unnatural here? Things are as nature intended and if humans drive ourselves extinct and take most of the life on Earth with us, this too is natural and nature will never bat an eye over it.


Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face.
Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race.

On the sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place.
If the summer changed to winter, yours is no disgrace.

"Yours is No Disgrace" lyrics by Yes

We already messed with nature in many ways, overpopulation and overcrowding of food animals being one of them. Enter the bioethicists and animal welfare people.

[Kwaka]

Humans are meaningless and unimportant where nature is concerned as extinction and survival of the fittest are the rules.

How fit has the rule of law become? I don't know what is going on with all this alien stuff, looks complicated and messy. One thing they can agree on is a fair go. The courts are built on generations of human conflict, it too does get messy.

If there is intelligent life out there, then having a platform to state there case does have some value. Maybe the Earth get blown up in the next hour, maybe the human species with it animal farm does continue to grow and evolve through the universe for a very long time?

[MichSwampbuck]

We already messed with nature in many ways, overpopulation and overcrowding of food animals being one of them. Enter the bioethicists and animal welfare people.

You aren't addressing my premise that humans are entirely natural and that morals are merely a subjective construct that shares nothing with reality. Nature causes great suffering, death and destruction at levels humans will never achieve even if we put all our efforts and resources into the project. Nature doesn't give a shit what happens as long as survival of the fittest and extinction filter out the unfit, esp. if the unfit is hell bent on killing itself.

Let's say that unchecked human activity creates conditions on Earth that drives all life extinct except small lifeforms like algae, bacterium, fungi and maybe some multi-cell animals like extremophiles. Nature's laws will once again prevail as nature abhors a vacuum. Survival of the fittest and extinctions will hone nature back into whatever is suitable for it. We are nothing if we can't survive and adapt and given enough time, something that nature has plenty of, all traces of our existence will be long gone and no one will be around to remember us.

You are merely spewing dogma and rhetoric without any real thought or acknowledging any other possibilities. You haven't directly addressed my premise in all of your banter. This is my thread and I grow bored of this useless exercise. Believe what you will as I have stated very well my position on this and have nothing more to add.

[quintessentone]

You aren't addressing my premise that humans are entirely natural and that morals are merely a subjective construct that shares nothing with reality. Nature causes great suffering, death and destruction at levels humans will never achieve even if we put all our efforts and resources into the project. Nature doesn't give a shit what happens as long as survival of the fittest and extinction filter out the unfit, esp. if the unfit is hell bent on killing itself.

Let's say that unchecked human activity creates conditions on Earth that drives all life extinct except small lifeforms like algae, bacterium, fungi and maybe some multi-cell animals like extremophiles. Nature's laws will once again prevail as nature abhors a vacuum. Survival of the fittest and extinctions will hone nature back into whatever is suitable for it. We are nothing if we can't survive and adapt and given enough time, something that nature has plenty of, all traces of our existence will be long gone and no one will be around to remember us.

You are merely spewing dogma and rhetoric without any real thought or acknowledging any other possibilities. You haven't directly addressed my premise in all of your banter. This is my thread and I grow bored of this useless exercise. Believe what you will as I have stated very well my position on this and have nothing more to add.

And you are ignoring the fact that human activity, specifically when it comes to overpopulation and overcrowding of food animals, which is not a natural thing, constitutes the bioethicists and animal welfare people to step in to make certain damaging conditions known.

Your premise ignores the ethics and morals at the other end of the spectrum. But, you are right, it is extremely boring when one can't have a discussion with another person who can't see beyond their bias. With that, I have nothing more to add.

[Kwaka]

We already messed with nature in many ways, overpopulation and overcrowding of food animals being one of them.

We are at the end of a long ancestry chain in shaping this world. Not everything goes to plan, some growing pains at times. Keep doing the best we can got us this far.

[MichSwampbuck]

How fit has the rule of law become? I don't know what is going on with all this alien stuff, looks complicated and messy. One thing they can agree on is a fair go. The courts are built on generations of human conflict, it too does get messy.

If there is intelligent life out there, then having a platform to state there case does have some value. Maybe the Earth get blown up in the next hour, maybe the human species with it animal farm does continue to grow and evolve through the universe for a very long time?

An extra-terrestrial intelligence may be so alien that we are nothing more than another squishy organic to them.

While humans lived under nature's rules, we developed a number of survival strategies that worked for us. Now that we have a big enough brain to over come the rules to a degree, we risk following a dead end into extinction. Maybe how we raise cattle is a survival dead end at some point down the line. If we left the herd to nature and didn't take advantage with our evolving survival strategies, this wouldn't become an issue of any kind.