Net Zero advocates propose ticks to induce red meat allergy as climate solution

[Oldcarpy2]

Naw. I heard it from your Mama during some pillow talk.

Note the use of the Ad Hominen attack to divert from the question, another technique.

ETA: I love the use of liberal political bias to bait me into a political discussion about Donald Trump, very slick.

I don't think this has anything to do with Trump.

It's just about academics talking absolute bollox.

Someone should infest them with ticks until they fall over and contract Lyme's Disease.

Harsh, I know, but fair.

[UltraBudgie]

One could do some interesting math -- decrease in meat consumption, leads to fewer cattle, leads to less water usage, less feed crops, less fertilizer runoff, less methane in atmosphere, all that product combined and measured as "environmental impact dollars", then convert that to projections of decreased quality of life and health impact thereof (such studies already exist), and wham, you've got "meat-tick = x lives saved". Then you can start playing the "greater good" rhetoric game based on those studies, and blame anyone who disagrees with you of wanting to kill grandmas, or some such rot, like they did with covid.

[David64]

One could do some interesting math -- decrease in meat consumption, leads to fewer cattle, leads to less water usage, less feed crops, less fertilizer runoff, less methane in atmosphere, all that product combined and measured as "environmental impact dollars", then convert that to projections of decreased quality of life and health impact thereof (such studies already exist), and wham, you've got "meat-tick = x lives saved". Then you can start playing the "greater good" rhetoric game based on those studies, and blame anyone who disagrees with you of wanting to kill grandmas, or some such rot, like they did with covid.

Not so fast. Less meat means more vegetable based products and the land that was used to raise cattle will be used for corn and soybeans to fill the gap. The spraying of chemicals will get worse, more runoff of those chemicals into streams and rivers and in the ground water.
More water used for the crops.
More gas and diesel to plant and harvest those crops leads to more carbon.

[SomeStupidName]

UltraBudgie had no intentions of feeding the carnivorous just removing their food supply.

[UltraBudgie]

UltraBudgie had no intentions of feeding the carnivorous just removing their food supply.

Actually neither. I was trying to make a more subtle point about how "impact" can be measured with science and statistics and stuff, then converted into "equivalent human impact", and then used to justify agendas. It seem a very flexible practice. Like, "unless you drive an electric car you're drowning baby seals and changing the climate and that destroys cropland and you're killing people!"

I don't think that's a good thing. It happens as soon as you allow direct, observable, measurable impact to be compared equivalently to statistically aggregated hypotheticals. Then, it seems, the matha-magic can be used to justify near about anything. So, "First, do no harm".

[MichSwampbuck]

Actually neither. I was trying to make a more subtle point about how "impact" can be measured with science and statistics and stuff, then converted into "equivalent human impact", and then used to justify agendas. It seem a very flexible practice. Like, "unless you drive an electric car you're drowning baby seals and changing the climate and that destroys cropland and you're killing people!"

I don't think that's a good thing. It happens as soon as you allow direct, observable, measurable impact to be compared equivalently to statistically aggregated hypotheticals. Then, it seems, the matha-magic can be used to justify near about anything. So, "First, do no harm".

". . . playing the 'greater good' rhetoric game", that's the moral position I believe they are trying to use here. That falls flat because it's like the Nazis playing the "greater good" card with their ultimate solution.

I have enjoyed UltraBudgie's comments and understand what he was saying, and it sounds like the M.O.  of the liberal left. Of course, cattle could be raised in an entirely different way that has a greatly reduced impact, but no one would suggest that as this would reduce supply and increase the cost of the product at the grocery stores and restaurants. Plus someone mentioned that there is cattle feed that reduces flatulence and I imagine there are other methods and techniques that could address these concerns in truly ethical way. However, I don't think that that is what they want and believe they are looking for an excuse to unleash all hell on conservatives by any means necessary.

[Thoughtful3]

Speaking of tics-

https://www.woah.org/en/disease/lumpy-skin-disease/

I come bearing gifts of Lumpy Skin Disease, which just happens to be caused by tics.

This we need to file under part of the plan. Isn't it interesting that this outbreak in India started in 2019?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpy_skin...k_in_India


It's almost as if they wanted to contaminate the milk, since many there don't eat the meat.

Billy the Gates was very involved in- guess- Jabs for the cows to treat this condition.


I feelz he has overplayed his hand. Africans have had it.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj02rvvd8g2o

I will be curious to see how this plays out since Kenya has revoked the Gates Foundation immunity.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/04/15/g...-pressure/

[MichSwampbuck]

Speaking of tics-

https://www.woah.org/en/disease/lumpy-skin-disease/

I come bearing gifts of Lumpy Skin Disease, which just happens to be caused by tics.

This we need to file under part of the plan. Isn't it interesting that this outbreak in India started in 2019?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpy_skin...k_in_India


It's almost as if they wanted to contaminate the milk, since many there don't eat the meat.

Billy the Gates was very involved in- guess- Jabs for the cows to treat this condition.


I feelz he has overplayed his hand. Africans have had it.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj02rvvd8g2o

I will be curious to see how this plays out since Kenya has revoked the Gates Foundation immunity.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/04/15/g...-pressure/

I thought that L.S.D. was from the 1960s. I must have gone through another time slip or I'm having a flashback.

[Thoughtful3]

No doubt it was but I found it noteworthy that it became turbo charged in 2019 right when Covid was being rolled out. I watched a number of Youtubes and the people in India were quite concerned at the government suddenly culling the cow population. Sort of like the bird culling we had going on here. They were using drones to capture images.

Then suddenly the jab expert miraculously appeared with a "cure".

From my perspective this  . Weaken the population and then unleash C.

[quintessentone]

Sure but I'm not convinced your source isn't just spreading myths to discourage consumption of red meat. I try to eat poultry 70% of the week and on the weekend some pork because chicken is to lean for me to solely survive on, but at least once a month we pony up for some beef. I wish animal farming was better I don't like to see the genetic modified stack on top of each other cesspits some of these farms operate. Maybe AI can help us achieve some compromise that allows everyone to win.

Well convince yourself through your own research, minus the bias.