My Voice, My Word Choice

[covent]

@DBCowboy

See you in the reeducation camps my fellow in bigotry 

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No, no, no! In the family I grew up in, illegal alien was, apparently, a term of endearment.

[AlroyFarms]

Nah, I mean from @argentus, because he seems to have an opinion on it, and I'm actually interested.

It's important to yeet words when they become chopped. It also has the benefit of annoying the younger generations when you appropriate their slang.

Where is argentus' post? 

I don't think anyone brought up the R-word in this thread.

[UltraBudgie]

Where is argentus' post?

Oops it was in another thread. I'll cross-link it:

I have a friend who does fairly well on eBay.  He says to me, "whatever you are selling has to have a backstory.   It has to engage the person reading it. "  Okay.  

I don't care for the term "retard".   I know that which is references.  No trouble with you and me.  I don't like hearing it, and I hope everyone reading this decides to NOT use the term "retard".

[DBCowboy]

My 80,000 word OP condensed into 12 words.

[AlroyFarms]

@UltraBudgie 

I honestly think some words need modifiers before they're considered outrageously offensive.

Now if I said you're a filthy, smelly _______  that is going to really hit different because it's spoken with derision and meant to dehumanize.

I am not black. My mom's boyfriend for many years in my childhood explained the N-word to me this way. Depends on how you're using it and what you're trying to provoke otherwise sticks and stones.

[covent]

Teachers, those state mandated agents of indoctrination, have a lot to answer for.

The written word and by that, I do not mean stuff submitted to internet boards, is a form of creativity that the writer does not have to make relevant to anyone but themselves and their own stream of consciousness. 

If a writer wants to write a treatise on the rise of sobriety amoungst the younger generations and uses narratives that describes them as boring, then that is writer's rights and as far as I can see, the indignant reader can shove off. 

Pity the teacher who was concerned about political correctness did not consider the sensitivity of the writer. Too busy pushing an agenda that has probably been indoctrinated into all educators. 

On the other hand, pity so dour a teacher. unlikely to not understand satyre in all forms, direct and subtle.

[AlroyFarms]

@covent

This was specifically a poetry class, not essay writing or technical writing. So when she was telling me to consider the audience (which does make sense on its own,) and be careful not to use offensive words I'm like what audience? It's a poem. No one gives a fig about poetry except poets.

If I want to write smut to myself that's my right.

[argentus]

Oops it was in another thread. I'll cross-link it:

I hope you and the member who said that didn't consider that a staff directive UltraBudgie.   I was expressing my distaste for the word.  I will probably always express my distaste for words that I consider to be hurtful, bigoted, or unnecessarily severe.  I think more people should express their views, but those views should not be given any more legal consideration that anyone else's.  

Right now, there are two guys where I live who are unwelcome on our property.   I like them okay, and we've had some laughs.   They used the N-word, and I told them that the use of it was unwelcome on this chunk of land.   One said, "hey, I don't mean nothing, it's just the way I talk."  
Me:  "I get that.  I can't control, nor do I want to, what comes out of your mouth everywhere else, but on this chunk of land I sure as hell can.   If you can respect my wishes, you are welcome."
Him: "What if I don't? What then?'
Me: "Then you will become unwelcome here, with regret."
Him:  "Well, then fuck you very much.  Asshole.  I say what I want." jerks his head at the other guy "Let's get out of here."

And they haven't come back, nor are they welcome.  Yes, it was that important.  I don't judge the person, but I do think it is our obligation to speak up, especially  when we are talking with people that matter to us.

[AlroyFarms]

@argentus

There is such a thing as tact. If someone told me not to use a word around them I'd dissect more before telling them to F off or whatever.

Most of the time it's a simple request anyways. I don't swear around church or around grandma. Respect is a thing too. 

I'm a bit of a hippy culture guy so I tend to talk a little like Cheech & Chong at times. 

What's up, man?...Thanks a lot, man. Dave's not here, man. (Or is he...? muahaha)

I accidentally use it when addressing women at times and it hasn't been an issue. I've accidentally used it with some trans people and got the triggered looks but no one has asked me to change my language yet. If/ when it happens I'll just have to say 'Sorry I'm just a hippy stoner and this is the way I talk casually sometimes. Your choice or not to be offended by that because I wasn't misgendering.'

[argentus]

@argentus

There is such a thing as tact. If someone told me not to use a word around them I'd dissect more before telling them to F off or whatever.

Most of the time it's a simple request anyways. I don't swear around church or around grandma. Respect is a thing too. 

I'm a bit of a hippy culture guy so I tend to talk a little like Cheech & Chong at times. 

What's up, man?...Thanks a lot, man. Dave's not here, man. (Or is he...? muahaha)

I accidentally use it when addressing women at times and it hasn't been an issue. I've accidentally used it with some trans people and got the triggered looks but no one has asked me to change my language yet. If/ when it happens I'll just have to say 'Sorry I'm just a hippy stoner and this is the way I talk casually sometimes. Your choice or not to be offended by that because I wasn't misgendering.'

And that's the thing, right?  Speak up!  Don't expect me to know what causes you problems.   

An aside:   I think some of the nonbinary pronouns -- they/them/we as posed toward a single person are, well, kind of silly, and really clunky conversationally.  However.   If there is someone who matters to me, or even someone in my arena/work whatever that expresses a desire for those pronouns, I will make an effort to respect that.   Probably I would find it simpler to just avoid them;  avoid, not shun.  I can respect things I don't personally subscribe to.   I'm sure as hell not going to insist that other people follow suit.   If that were the case, I'd insist upon being called Argenti, for there are certainly more than one of me inside this skin.