Multiple Russian Tu-95 bombers burning a massive Ukrainian FPV drone strike

[Inspector44]

From the beginning?

Battle of Britain?

Dunkirk?

Hello Mr Angry.

I'm the liar here?


https://www.historyextra.com/period/seco...roosevelt/

Here, learn some history.

Mr. Angry? That's something an emotional woman would say when losing an argument. Calling out specific battles as if that's proof the US wasn't involved in the larger operations is stupid and its a strawman. I didn't say we led the charge as a main fighting force from day one, I said involved from day one. Brush up on your reading comprehension. It amuses me how arrogant people act when behind a computer screen.

[Jbird]

STOP !!

The Sniping and Thread Drift , Please.

Multiple Russian Tu-95 bombers burning a massive Ukrainian FPV drone strike

[CriticalStinker]

Nvm… off topic

[putnam6]

Ukraine is fighting for survival, and Russia is fighting for its pride.

Both will lose quite a bit in the end. I imagine Ukraine will have to give up a good amount of its land, but Russia has already lost a measurable portion of its Navy, Air Force, and ground forces. Some of what they lost is irreplaceable. And while I see some downplaying the strategic bombers because of their age, that’s still a huge asset if you have stealth fighter/bombers who can soften air defense so bombers can come in to prep for ground forces. 

Russia does have impressive missile tech, but a lot of waging war is doing so smartly. Don’t want to use your most expensive ballistic missiles when a bomber with retrofitted dumb bombs do the job for a fraction of the price. 

Russia won’t look the same for a while after this one, and they’ve had a few opportunities to take the win and move on.

Yeah, Russia should have significant and long-lasting sanctions, and Europe needs to decouple from Russia's LNG teat right now,  Germany thinks they can by 2027 IIRC.

thats just complete madness in my book, and it makes Europe hard to take seriously 

https://x.com/i/grok/share/5QPyrS1flyi2hIuyCuAV5HroD

Europe is still purchasing LNG from Russia as of June 2, 2025, likely at levels close to the record 24.2 bcm seen in 2024. Economic incentives, energy needs, and incomplete sanctions have sustained this trade, despite political pressure to cut ties. The EU’s goal to phase out Russian fuels by 2027 remains a work in progress, and Russia continues to exploit Europe’s energy dependency as a geopolitical tool, as evident in its memorandum demands.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Yeah, Russia should have significant and long-lasting sanctions, and Europe needs to decouple from Russia's LNG teat right now,  Germany thinks they can by 2027 IIRC.

thats just complete madness in my book, and it makes Europe hard to take seriously "

I would have to agree.

Madness.

[annonentity]

Odd, indeed.

Putin will be pissed, for sure

Who would leave their tactical nuclear bombers lined up on the Tarmac waiting to be blown up?   I think they were plywood bait. Which ate a load of  intel and ordinance up. If it Sounds too good to be true it probably is..

[CriticalStinker]

Who would leave their tactical nuclear bombers lined up on the Tarmac waiting to be blown up?   I think they were plywood bait. Which ate a load of  intel and ordinance up. If it Sounds too good to be true it probably is..

Wild take. 

There have been many military blunders where something looks like sitting ducks and get hit.

While Pearl Harbor is an inaccurate direct comparison here, we had our naval vessels lined up for an attack. We had reason to believe they were in a safe location. Russia recently moved a lot of their aircraft away from the front lines because of the drones. 

Did they get 41? Who knows, of course there is propaganda amidst. Ukraine has every reason to embellish their success. Doesn't mean they didn't get anything. The operation was smart, I bet they got some licks. 

Saying it's too good to be true, thus the inverse is the probability doesn't make sense. It's not like Russia has conducted an impressive modern war. They've been bogged down with someone who isn't even considered a peer, next door no less. It's not like they're waging war half way across the globe.

[annonentity]

They struck at aircraft that haven't moved in over 18 months at air fields that clearly don't have a lot of external security. This isn't the win you think it is.

  Which makes me think they were dummies .These planes need constant monitoring and maintenance in the Russian weather. How many dummy targets have they got. If they think most of the strategic fleet is knocked out, then they will place resources elsewhere. This is a war of deception above all.

[Bush Master]

Some were , yes, but some were Soviet Era and just used as missile carriers, if you will.

Yup, air launch standoff weapons mean an extra bit of range, and maybe gets you some Jack-in-the-Box effect in a multi-theatre scenario. That's about it. There birds were not going anyplace congested without effective air superiority. More of a strategic weapon against NAT0 than a theatre weapon, but obsolete for most purposes except maybe against tank columns.

[andy06shake]

The West will try plausible deniability, but Putin will want a formal declaration of war and withdraw all diplomatic services from all belligerent countries before he gets going. If he does this duck.

  He said that Russia hasn't the resources to fight a conventional  war with the West, that's why they have underground bunkers for all of the citizens. Because the war will be full on nuclear exchange. I doubt whether the bombers matter it is the missiles and the subs that will do the damage.

Russia does not have underground bunkers for all of its citizens.

Major cities like Moscow have extensive bunker systems, some dating back to the Cold War, including metro stations that double as bomb shelters and specialized government facilities.

But it could not possibly hope to accommodate 144 million people.

And realistically, they could not even shelter but a fraction of Moscow's population in these antiquated, understocked tombs.  

Outside major urban areas, shelter infrastructure is limited or nonexistant 

Russia may maintain a strong focus on civil defense, but full-scale protection for every citizen across its vast territory is a complete and utter pipe dream.