More than 50 countries have reached out to the President to begin tariff negotiations

[Oldcarpy2]

"Obliterated"?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=amazon+sha...ORM=U534DF

I don't think so.

[putnam6]

Amazon denying the reports… but if they were true, what’s the difference between showing that vs sales tax on a receipt?

Wouldn’t that make the tariffs more effective by showing consumers what they’re paying extra on foreign goods?

Not sure why the White House had such a visceral reaction to something that is just transparent to consumers.

We have seen blowback on something similar, One company immediately raised prices on all products by 30%. The problem is that they have huge in-country warehouses packed to the brim with non-new tariffed goods, now with prices raised by 30% when they were paid for in full, when they landed well before the terrible Trump tariff wars of 2025.  

Would be one potential issue off the top of my head. 

Welcome to the neighborhood

[CriticalStinker]

We have seen blowback on something similar, One company immediately raised prices on all products by 30%. The problem is that they have huge in-country warehouses packed to the brim with non-new tariffed goods, now with prices raised by 30% when they were paid for in full, when they landed well before the terrible Trump tariff wars of 2025.  

Would be one potential issue off the top of my head. 

Welcome to the neighborhood

We’ve seen similar things in my industry.

While I have no doubt some will be greedy either it, I’ve seen some vendors just say 20% across the board. They anticipate that will ultimately be a hit seeing as every nation has 10%, and China is at 145%~. So even if most of a piece of gear is made elsewhere, a percentage of the parts being Chinese could make the equipment 30% or more.

Ultimately, we’re in uncharted waters, and no one has dealt with a situation like this.

That said, we’ve all been sharing what the markup is in our industry with vendors and customers (businesses). I don’t see why it should be any different for the average consumer.

[putnam6]

We’ve seen similar things in my industry.

While I have no doubt some will be greedy either it, I’ve seen some vendors just say 20% across the board. They anticipate that will ultimately be a hit seeing as every nation has 10%, and China is at 145%~. So even if most of a piece of gear is made elsewhere, a percentage of the parts being Chinese could make the equipment 30% or more.

Ultimately, we’re in uncharted waters, and no one has dealt with a situation like this.

That said, we’ve all been sharing what the markup is in our industry with vendors and customers (businesses). I don’t see why it should be any different for the average consumer.

I have no problem Amazon showing thier markup, but if it's hip to show markup up why not do it before? Because if the GP knew how ridiculously high some of Amazon's markups are in relation to the landed costs, some wouldn't buy out of spite

 Plus it's doubtful it would be a line item markup, because loads of Chinese suppliers will eat differing percentages of the tariffs. Especially for Amazon. 

Hell, we rarely have uniform markups; lots of companies do that. One company's top sellers were given much higher markups instead of a uniform percentage across the board. Most suppliers have volume discounts and end-of-season discounts, so we'd regularly order our top sellers in volume and out of season to get a lower landed cost. Other units have a higher ratio and a much higher landed cost.

[CriticalStinker]

I have no problem Amazon showing thier markup, but if it's hip to show markup up why not do it before? Because if the GP knew how ridiculously high some of Amazon's markups are in relation to the landed costs, some wouldn't buy out of spite

 Plus it's doubtful it would be a line item markup, because loads of Chinese suppliers will eat differing percentages of the tariffs. Especially for Amazon. 

Hell, we rarely have uniform markups; lots of companies do that. One company's top sellers were given much higher markups instead of a uniform percentage across the board. Most suppliers have volume discounts and end-of-season discounts, so we'd regularly order our top sellers in volume and out of season to get a lower landed cost. Other units have a higher ratio and a much higher landed cost.

I don’t expect any vendor to disclose their profit margin. And I personally despise Amazon, rarely using them unless I’m absolutely in a pinch. But they’re able to remain competitive, albeit, I think their pricing used to be far better.

But my point was more that many have been transparent about what added markup is accounting for the tariffs. That’s something I’ve seen many be transparent about in my industry, as we usually see yearly price increases at preannounced times (usually 2-5%). This increase was not the yearly, but purely to address tariffs.

[putnam6]

I don’t expect any vendor to disclose their profit margin. And I personally despise Amazon, rarely using them unless I’m absolutely in a pinch. But they’re able to remain competitive, albeit, I think their pricing used to be far better.

But my point was more that many have been transparent about what added markup is accounting for the tariffs. That’s something I’ve seen many be transparent about in my industry, as we usually see yearly price increases at preannounced times (usually 2-5%). This increase was not the yearly, but purely to address tariffs.

Bottom line, these current rates are temporary... we are playing economic chicken with China, I think we will have negotiations in 3-4 weeks. Question is who blinks...China/XI got hit in the feelz, it will last a bit longer. 

Thats wild hearing of yearly price increases, our industry tries to hold the line on price increases, unless there are outside influences. Gasoline prices/shipping costs, etc.  

It's funny, I used eBay for a while during COVID, and brands I use over and over, I try and order directly from the company. Still, I did this for the People's Choice Beef Jerky bought it from the company at the time was 25 bucks for a pound and a half. Amazon had the same item for 21.99, plus Amazon ships cheaper and quicker. 

Business supplies paper, ink jet cartridges, laser jet cartridges, and the time saved by buying online

[CriticalStinker]

Bottom line, these current rates are temporary... we are playing economic chicken with China, I think we will have negotiations in 3-4 weeks. Question is who blinks...China/XI got hit in the feelz, it will last a bit longer. 

Thats wild hearing of yearly price increases, our industry tries to hold the line on price increases, unless there are outside influences. Gasoline prices/shipping costs, etc.  

It's funny, I used eBay for a while during COVID, and brands I use over and over, I try and order directly from the company. Still, I did this for the People's Choice Beef Jerky bought it from the company at the time was 25 bucks for a pound and a half. Amazon had the same item for 21.99, plus Amazon ships cheaper and quicker. 

Business supplies paper, ink jet cartridges, laser jet cartridges, and the time saved by buying online

The 10% for every country may remain, which is still a big increase on a lot of goods.

And we have to increase prices every year, the inflation goal set out by monetary policy is 2% a year, which we’ve been exceeding. We deal with large equipment that uses a lot of electrical gear and tech, so the commodity prices are typically increasing for those products.

The biggest issue we’ve faced is the supply chain disruption. Some of our orders have gotten stuck on cargo ships for extended periods of time while they figure out how to navigate the tariff process. This part will probably resolve itself once things stabilize.

But ultimately, all of the tariffs are being passed to the end user, that’s the market norm. Our customers know they are eating it, and we tell them how much it is that got tacked on. Some of the equipment we sell is custom, with up to a 9 month lead time. In the past, we were able to lock in the price, and hold that at the time of purchase order. That is gone, everything has a waiver now that says tariff pricing can change at any time, and even our standard quoted from vendors have gone from a 90 day period, to 14-30 day.

And if the end goal is just to make deals with countries, and get rid of the tariffs, what was the purpose I wonder? Very few people are going to bring back manufacturing if the narrative is we’re going to strike deals. So ultimately, the deals benefit US transnational corporations who do better business abroad, and we the end consumers paid for that through this rough period of deal making.

[putnam6]

The 10% for every country may remain, which is still a big increase on a lot of goods.

And we have to increase prices every year, the inflation goal set out by monetary policy is 2% a year, which we’ve been exceeding. We deal with large equipment that uses a lot of electrical gear and tech, so the commodity prices are typically increasing for those products.

The biggest issue we’ve faced is the supply chain disruption. Some of our orders have gotten stuck on cargo ships for extended periods of time while they figure out how to navigate the tariff process. This part will probably resolve itself once things stabilize.

But ultimately, all of the tariffs are being passed to the end user, that’s the market norm. Our customers know they are eating it, and we tell them how much it is that got tacked on. Some of the equipment we sell is custom, with up to a 9 month lead time. In the past, we were able to lock in the price, and hold that at the time of purchase order. That is gone, everything has a waiver now that says tariff pricing can change at any time, and even our standard quoted from vendors have gone from a 90 day period, to 14-30 day.

And if the end goal is just to make deals with countries, and get rid of the tariffs, what was the purpose I wonder? Very few people are going to bring back manufacturing if the narrative is we’re going to strike deals. So ultimately, the deals benefit US transnational corporations who do better business abroad, and we the end consumers paid for that through this rough period of deal making

None of that supersedes the US was/is getting shafted in most of its trade deals with other countries, now, some will just pay the 10%, some will negotiate. Just getting some countries to eat the 10%, which will happen. The US is the top importer for 62 countries, so that 10% tariff will most likely be eaten on thier end, not Uncle Sam's, or that's my understanding of the theory. But just 10% is a huge windfall for the US. 

The negotiations will be sector-specific; textiles and apparel aren't a likely priority. Even then, there are different deals done between a Chinese supplier and an American company; a larger Uncle Sam company will get the Chinese supplier to eat the tariff, and so on, with varying percentages. Or thats what occurs in our industry, I imagine this occurs in other industries as well. 

As for bringing back manufacturing, thats a long process in our industry, it will be one of the last to return if ever.

But again, it's percentages, just an increase of 10% could mean loads of jobs....

It all depends on how long before they negotiate and the percentages negotiated

https://x.com/ChinaUncensored/status/191...8069952649

 

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[CriticalStinker]

None of that supersedes the US was/is getting shafted in most of its trade deals with other countries, now, some will just pay the 10%, some will negotiate. Just getting some countries to eat the 10%, which will happen. The US is the top importer for 62 countries, so that 10% tariff will most likely be eaten on thier end, not Uncle Sam's, or that's my understanding of the theory. But just 10% is a huge windfall for the US. 

The negotiations will be sector-specific; textiles and apparel aren't a likely priority. Even then, there are different deals done between a Chinese supplier and an American company; a larger Uncle Sam company will get the Chinese supplier to eat the tariff, and so on, with varying percentages. Or thats what occurs in our industry, I imagine this occurs in other industries as well. 

As for bringing back manufacturing, thats a long process in our industry, it will be one of the last to return if ever.

But again, it's percentages, just an increase of 10% could mean loads of jobs....

It all depends on how long before they negotiate and the percentages negotiated

https://x.com/ChinaUncensored/status/191...8069952649

 
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 China creates list of US-made goods exempt from 125% tariffs, sources sayBy Andrew Silver
April 30, 202512:05 AM EDTUpdated 6 hours ago

Some will probably make deals, but there are large economies that don’t seem to be able to have a path for that in 90 days.

Much of the “reciprocal” tariffs don’t match the tariffs other countries impose on the US. Rather, they note barriers, including VAT which is essentially sales tax charged on all goods, not just US or foreign.

Other trade imbalances are simply regulatory like with our meats or food products not meeting other countries standards. Or our vehicles just not being popular like in Japan where they have no tariffs on US cars.

There may be some places that subsidize goods to get them over here, China is doing that with some things. But on the vendor side I can confidently say many of us are being 100% transparent that we are passing all of the cost to the end user. We are businesses, not charities. Why would we lose money to stay in business?

This was a tax on the American people to make better deals for transnational corporations. It is incredibly unlikely we see any “benefit” from this. Even if 10% tariffs stay, countries wouldn’t have moved manufacturing if they were only getting 10% cheaper production costs abroad, that would be wiped out by shipping and other costs in off shoring. Making a shirt or small plastic widget is multiples cheaper abroad, and honestly, at our point in maturity as an economy, we shouldn’t want that. Who wants to make a shirt in a factory? We should want advanced manufacturing and chip making (the latter is actually coming to fruition). Who cares about the small stuff.

[putnam6]

Some will probably make deals, but there are large economies that don’t seem to be able to have a path for that in 90 days.

Such as? care to expand on this, This won't last 90 days with China and deals are being worked on with 62 countries so far not sure what large economies you are concerened about? Are talking national economies or industry sevtor economies  

Much of the “reciprocal” tariffs don’t match the tariffs other countries impose on the US. Rather, they note barriers, including VAT which is essentially sales tax charged on all goods, not just US or foreign.

So? Do China and India tariffs match what other countries impose?

Other trade imbalances are simply regulatory like with our meats or food products not meeting other countries standards. Or our vehicles just not being popular like in Japan where they have no tariffs on US cars.

Those are the issues that will be handled in by each industry sector, its probably already being discussed behind the scenes. For example America cant sell pork to China because America pig farmers used a steroid thats banned in China and lots of other nations too. RFKjr wants that steroid removed so we have healthier foods and American pig farmers can sell to China. It was well past time to look at these agreements and modify them to 2025

There may be some places that subsidize goods to get them over here, China is doing that with some things. But on the vendor side I can confidently say many of us are being 100% transparent that we are passing all of the cost to the end user. We are businesses, not charities. Why would we lose money to stay in business?

Again this is temporary, on those nations who choose to negotiate custom designed trade agreements await, Modi seemed happy enough so did Georgina.

This was a tax on the American people to make better deals for transnational corporations. It is incredibly unlikely we see any “benefit” from this. Even if 10% tariffs stay, countries wouldn’t have moved manufacturing if they were only getting 10% cheaper production costs abroad, that would be wiped out by shipping and other costs in off shoring. Making a shirt or small plastic widget is multiples cheaper abroad, and honestly, at our point in maturity as an economy, we shouldn’t want that. Who wants to make a shirt in a factory? We should want advanced manufacturing and chip making (the latter is actually coming to fruition). Who cares about the small stuff.

That remains to be seen, pure educated specualtion at this point. Not sure I follow, countries don't move manufacturing the individual companies do. Companies don't move based on the 10% companies force thier country to renegotiate trade agreements because of the 10% and this is were deals are made, Like Nvidia deal. 

Is none of this happening?

Again we don't need nor did I ever say suggest or infer we need manufacturing across all sectors and industries, just this tariff talks offer the opportinity for Trump's team to cherry pick which manufacturers to target. 

Regardless we will see... did we ever get the list of which industries China has already said they were exempt?

Further more we can shit on clothing and plastic widgets, but there are loads of small towns in America dying for a manufacturer anchor their economy.  Any manufacturer... but we dont need hundreds to move just a few dozen. 

Let's not forget...
 Trump is excluding goods subject to separate, 25% national security tariffs, including steel and aluminum, cars, trucks and auto parts.

His administration also released a list of more than 1,000 product categories exempted from the tariffs. Valued at $645 billion in 2024 imports, these include crude oil, petroleum products and other energy imports, pharmaceuticals, uranium, titanium, lumber and semiconductors and copper. Except for energy, the Trump administration is investigating several of these sectors for further national security tariffs.




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