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04-07-2025, 05:58 PM
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(04-07-2025, 05:27 PM)RickyD Wrote: --Mod edit - Encia22 - Snipped off topic comment--
You don't have to visit threads like this or reply or even read posts you don't like or agree with. Change always starts from within!
I'd just add, that we have an ignore button click your name, 2nd bar from the top, and look at the menu of choices on the right
click ignore/buddy
That said I don't get the emotions here, X.com and Reddit interactions are 1000 times worse.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government, always hopeful yet discontent. Knows changes aren't permanent, but change is ....
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04-07-2025, 06:00 PM
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(04-07-2025, 04:42 PM)xuenchen Wrote: @AngryOldBrewer
The economy isn't tanking 
Not to be a contrarian but Trump believes it is and said he is doing it on purpose. Well, more accurately, he shared a video on his Truth Social that claimed he was tanking the economy on purpose. Then said he wanted everything up.
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(04-07-2025, 03:26 PM)xuenchen Wrote: How should I have worded my post then? 
Well, maybe the addition of "trade agreements over the last 50 or more years ago" would help 
The USA has been taking a big hit on trade since we allowed manufacturing to leave our shores.
Plenty of blame to go around.
Timor est magnus animus interfectorem!!!
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(04-07-2025, 06:00 PM)AngryOldBrewer Wrote: Not to be a contrarian but Trump believes it is and said he is doing it on purpose. Well, more accurately, he shared a video on his Truth Social that claimed he was tanking the economy on purpose. Then said he wanted everything up.
Yup, the video he posted from another source is the one claiming Trump is "brilliantly" tanking the economy, not Trump himself. MSM is baiting and getting baited at the same time.
Here's the Truth Social Trump Post.....
and here's a Rolling Stone article chock full of propaganda red herrings and tangents
and it tries hard to make it look like it's Trump....
Trump Shares Video About How He Is ‘Purposely Crashing the Stock Market’
Quote:Several close allies of the president and ex-officials told Rolling Stone they were “at a loss for words” when asked about the video
This morning, the president shared a link on Truth Social to what appears to be a video claiming that he was “Purposely CRASHING The Market.”
The one-minute video — originally shared March 15 on TikTok — predates the president’s tariff announcement on Wednesday. It claims that “Trump is crashing the stock market by 20 percent this month, but he’s doing it on purpose…. Here’s the secret game he’s playing, and it could make you rich.”
The video proposes that Trump is attempting to “push cash into treasuries, which forces the Fed to slash interest rates in May, and those lower rates give the Fed the ability to refinance trillions of debt very inexpensively. It also weakens the dollar and drops mortgage rates. Now it’s a wild chess move, but it’s working.”
It's Büeller Time
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(04-07-2025, 06:23 PM)DontTreadOnMe Wrote: Well, maybe the addition of "trade agreements over the last 50 or more years ago" would help 
The USA has been taking a big hit on trade since we allowed manufacturing to leave our shores.
Plenty of blame to go around.
I was around when the country started exporting jobs. I remember the people of the time complaining that it will ruin our country. Sure they created a consumer based economy to make things look good, but every empire that did that in the past fell badly after a while. It happened to the Roman empire, it happened to the English empire, when a society gets too dependent on others to supply their needs, sooner or later they flop.
If you want to create money out of nothing, start a stock market. It creates money that is not real. It is based on belief, people will spend more if they believe they are making money and are wealthy...yet it can all go away in a short time. Never put more money than you can afford to lose into stocks is what the brokers used to have to tell people back in the eighties.
The reality we live in is far from real.
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04-08-2025, 07:21 AM
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Look at the sea of red Trump's Twisted Terrible Tariffs have unleashed on the world ..... the humanity
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FFS
Global markets bounce back
https://apnews.com/live/stock-market-eco...feee440000
Quote:The bounce back for global markets on Tuesday perhaps shouldn’t be a surprise. Stocks don’t go in one direction forever, and some of the best days in the market’s history have been clustered around some of its worst days.
The biggest gain for the S&P 500 since World War II was an 11.6% surge on Oct. 13, 2008, for example. That was during the depths of the Great Recession, when worries were high that the financial system was collapsing and the S&P 500 was in the midst of a nearly 57% plunge from its peak in late 2007 until its bottom in March 2009. A couple weeks later, the index had another one of its best days in history, soaring 10.8%.
That’s one of the reasons many financial advisers suggest not trying to time the market and selling stocks and other investments meant for the long term when nervous, because of the risk of missing out on such huge up days.
Treasurys on the riseBY DAMIAN TROISE
ShareTreasury yields are rising again in a potential signal that investors are gaining more confidence in the U.S. economy’s path ahead.
The gains could also signal that investors expect more inflation ahead. Treasurys, which are often viewed as less risky investments than stocks, have been volatile amid worries about tariffs and the economy.
The yield on the 10-year Treasury rose to 4.24%, up from 4.17% late Monday and from 4.01% on Friday. The 10-year Treasury is often considered a proxy for the direction of mortgage rates.
The yield on the 2-year Treasury rose to 3.83% from 3.76% late Monday and from 3.64% late Friday. It is often used as a gauge for future interest rate policies from the Federal Reserve.
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04-08-2025, 09:43 AM
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(04-07-2025, 05:27 PM)RickyD Wrote: --Mod edit - Encia22 - Snipped off topic comment--
You don't have to visit threads like this or reply or even read posts you don't like or agree with. Change always starts from within!
I don't hate him, I simply dislike him a lot.
I will read and post as I please, thanks.
Using your logic, why are you replying to me?
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I now know why I am called a grown up. Every time I get up I groan.
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Already they're nervous
--> Art of the Deal: EU Offers Trump ‘Zero-for-Zero Tariffs’ on Industrial Goods with United States <--
Quote:EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Monday that the bloc has offered a “zero-for-zero tariff” trade arrangement on industrial goods with the United States in a bid to avoid a full-on trade war.
While the EU chief continued to condemn the reciprocal tariff measures enacted by U.S. President Donald Trump to rectify the long-standing transatlantic trade imbalance, as pressure from the markets began to take shape, Von der Leyen and other top eurocrats expressed willingness to negotiate with the White House.
“We stand ready to negotiate with the US,” the EU president said. “We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods as we have successfully done with many other trading partners. Because Europe is always ready for a good deal. So we keep it on the table.”
It's Büeller Time
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04-08-2025, 09:59 AM
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(04-08-2025, 09:43 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: I don't hate him, I simply dislike him a lot.
I will read and post as I please, thanks.
Using your logic, why are you replying to me?
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Anyway, China vows to 'fight to the end' in this tariff war. Good luck to the Americans, they will need it because doesn't the U.S. owe China a big monetary debt (8.9% - that's a large chunk, IMO)? China imposes 34% tariffs on U.S. imports - that's gonna hurt.
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04-08-2025, 10:06 AM
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(04-07-2025, 06:00 PM)AngryOldBrewer Wrote: Not to be a contrarian but Trump believes it is and said he is doing it on purpose. Well, more accurately, he shared a video on his Truth Social that claimed he was tanking the economy on purpose. Then said he wanted everything up.
Yes, everything up, only after he and his billionaire buddies buy or sell in the right way before the 'up'. Oops forgot those sycophant stragglers/hangers on too. But only they will know the 'when'. That's how it's done folks; the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Same old song.
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