Monsanto Employing Troll Army To Silence Online Dissent?

[MichSwampbuck]

I've been seeing an advertisement on broadcast TV a lot lately about a class action law suit for Round-Up use. I've been reading about law suits against the pharma corps for the "vaccination" as well. It seems to take many years to catch up with the folly of corporate agendas, and much longer to catch the CEOs and politicians that helped them turn a profit on their products.

I trust our local family farms and the Amish community for clean nutritious food. I know what healthy game animals look and act like as well. I do need a bigger garden though, mostly for barley and hops

[Karl12]

I've been seeing an advertisement on broadcast TV a lot lately about a class action law suit for Round-Up use. I've been reading about law suits against the pharma corps for the "vaccination" as well.

Yo mate good to see you and yes considering their 'fourth reich' background (link) you'd think Bayer would be attempting to keep somewhat of a low profile - apparently not.

They're now trying to make it illegal to sue.






Cheers.

[FlyingClayDisk]

I think it's important to remember that Roundup (et.al), 2,4-D, and others are only one half of the problem.  Monsanto (or whomever they call themselves today, Bayer, etc.) and Dow Agro were also instrumental in the development of Roundup and 2,4-D resistant strains of grain seeds.  Yep, genetically engineered (GMO).  But these same seed products also have another important (profit 'insulating') characteristic.  They are sterile, meaning they do not produce seeds which can be grown as crops.  So therefore, if you want the benefits of the herbicides Roundup or 2,4-D, you have to buy ALL of your seed crops from these companies every season.  You cannot grow crops to harvest the seeds for replanting (which was how traditional farming was done for thousands of years).  These characteristics are two separate genetic processes.  If you want one benefit, you're automatically signing a deal with the devil for the other.

Plus, if you sit down and think about it...why would any corporation be interested in taking the risk of buying the patents and former holdings of a company like Monsanto to begin with???  Seems completely insane, right?  Well, this just goes to show you just how much money is really involved in this agribusiness sector!  Even though they know for a fact they will be sued and have class action suits against them for billions, they will offset the costs of these suits with the "trillions" they rake in from revenue off selling this self-fulfilling prophecy products.

And we won't even get into the subsidy angles on the mega-agribusiness operations.  There's no way the little guy can compete against this.  Samson might have taken down Goliath, but this is like Samson trying to take on legions of Goliaths all by his lonesome.

[rickymouse]

Monsanto has always hired Trolls to block people from saying bad things about them.  More importantly they have a real lot of lawyers.....I try not to say much about these kinds of businesses with lawyers and lots of money because I do not want to spend my savings hiring lawyers to protect myself from a lawsuit.

So I prefer to bring up negative effects of Glyphosate and glyphosate residue on health of many people instead of mentioning a big powerful corporations product.  Remember, even though glyphosate has some bad health problems associated with it, it is considered legal to use it here in America.  I am not interested in getting in a spitting match with Bayer...actually, I do not think that Monsanto is it's name anymore.  The chemistry Roundup is still the name, and I am sure some of the people working in that company are still the same as when it was called Monsanto.  I do know that you can somewhat detox glyphosate by taking glycine suplements but have no knowledge of how much or for how long.  Trimethylglycine....Betaine...might work, but I never got into specifics as to how to detox with glycine.  I guess the metabolite of glyphosate has some sort of weak bond associated with it so it does mess things up in the body.  The information I read on this did not give dosages.  But feeding cows food with glyphosate probably would make the meat more tender by making the muscle bond less powerful.  And the same goes for chicken and pork.

We don't really want any Trolls attracted to this site from the company, so stick with just attacking the name glyphosate which is a chemical name for the active ingredient...the adjuvant used with it by any producer can make it's activity worse and patents on the adjuvant chemistry are specific to the company patenting their products.  I do not know what the adjuvant in Roundup is, but the adjuvant makes it more potent no matter what the manufacturer is.  I do not know if their formula is actually fully disclosed other than in the patents.  Some adjuvants are actually classified as neutral and do not need to be disclosed because they are not considered adjuvant chemistry, some are just listed as inert ingredients.

[Karl12]

Monsanto has always hired Trolls to block people from saying bad things about them.

How do you know that mate?

Would appreciate any links you can provide.

Seems to me the U.S. Court documents provided in the first post are describing something far more serious than the odd corporate PR campaign - did you go through the actual info?

The company is being accused of hiring (through third parties) an 'army' of Internet trolls to counter any negative comments while citing positive 'ghost-written' pseudo-scientific reports to subvert the truth and lie about the safety of their products.

I still know people to this day who scoff about the very idea of this kind of concerted, subversive and deceptive campaign actually going on.

Let alone the fact that the company knew as far back as 1985 (see internal emails) that their product was dangerous but decided not to tell anybody.

So I prefer to bring up negative effects of Glyphosate and glyphosate residue on health of many people instead of mentioning a big powerful corporations

Bit difficult to do that within genuine discussion as Monsanto actually invented the stuff back in 1970 - how on earth can you mention one without bringing up the other?

I am not interested in getting in a spitting match with Bayer...actually, I do not think that Monsanto is it's name anymore.

No, as mentioned on the previous page: "the first thing Bayer did after completing their takeover of Monsanto earlier this month was to announce that they were dropping the Monsanto name, merging the two companies’ agrochemical divisions under the Bayer Crop Science name."


Can I ask why you are 'not interested in getting in a spitting match with Bayer'?

We don't really want any Trolls attracted to this site from the company..

Who's 'we'?

Bit presumptuous there mate and if paid corporate disinfo shills want to attempt to hoodwink and bullshit the members on this site then bring them on lol.

They wouldn't last five minutes.

[quintessentone]

Well Bill Gates is no longer involved it appears.

"The Gates Foundation has faced criticism for its investment in Monsanto, a genetically modified (GM) seed and chemical company. In 2010, the Gates Foundation Trust invested $23 million in Monsanto, though it sold the shares the following year after facing opposition from environmental groups. This investment, along with the foundation's broader focus on agricultural technology and large corporations, has led to concerns about the potential for conflicts of interest and the influence of corporate interests in global food systems."

Is it any wonder that people of all stations are hookwinked if they can discredit scientific studies to their benefit?

When the corporations and oligarchs control the food, they control the people.

The troll army is no different than any scammer base out there.

[Karl12]

Is it any wonder that people of all stations are hookwinked if they can discredit scientific studies to their benefit?

That's probably one of the most important questions of the last few decades mate.

Anyway despite assuring everyone it was 'safe'; despite no long term generational testing; despite paying 11 billion dollars to keep everyone out of court; despite knowing since 1985 their product was a Cat C carcinogen and despite funding well paid shills to deceive folks on the internet.. looks like Bayer/Monsanto are warning everyone they may have to stop making Roundup.

Bayer CEO Warns that Company May Stop Making Roundup

The Wall Street Journal’s Patrick Thomas reported that “Roundup’s time may be up..

Since taking over as Bayer’s CEO in 2023, Anderson has said one of his goals is to get the glyphosate litigation under control by 2026. He said that in some years, Roundup-related litigation expenses eclipse Bayer’s agriculture research-and-development budget,”

Link

Cheers.

[Karl12]

Apparently an 'International study reveals glyphosate weedkillers cause multiple types of cancer'.

It found that 'Leukemia findings are especially striking – potentially lending support to plaintiffs in court cases who allege that Roundup exposure caused their blood cancer'.

More details below on the 'comprehensive carcinogenicity study on the world’s most used herbicide, glyphosate, involving scientists from Europe and the US, has found that low doses of the controversial weedkiller cause multiple types of cancer in rats'.

• "We observed early onset and early mortality for a number of rare malignant cancers, including leukemia, liver, ovary and nervous system tumours. Notably, approximately half of the deaths from leukemia seen in the glyphosate and GBHs [glyphosate-based herbicide] treatment groups occurred at less than one year of age, comparable to less than 35-40 years of age in humans."

Link

If anyone's interested would say this 'Bitter Harvest' article is also worth a read as it deals with the constant stream of bullshit coming out of the public relations sales departments of agricultural GMO corporations.

[Karl12]

New developments on congressional spending bill 'HR 4754' which would give I.G. Farben's Bayer complete immunity from lawsuits claiming its pesticide glyphosate causes cancer (which it does).

[rickymouse]

according to my genetics report put into a genetic app I used to study my genetics, I have two copies of the gene snp that makes me at a very higher rate of cancer risk from organophosphates.  The main reason DDT was banned is because it killed lots of farmers through brain cancer who supplied food to our people in America.  Not there is just about as much organophosphates in glyphosate as in DDT.  Same with all the banned pesticides since DDT, just different adjuvants in the mix.

Now my father was a farmer and he used DDT quite a bit, he died from brain cancer that was similar to what the other farmers died from.  I am very intolerant to organophosphates because a detox enzyme is missing, same as many other northern Europeans are.  My wife, kids, ex wife, and grandkids only have one copy of this gene, nothing to worry about as long as the glyphosate residue in food is not too high....so they raised the levels in food by doing preharvest spraying to decicate grains in 2012, the FDA allowed this practice.  That boosting can increase cancer risk in even those with one copy.

So, I make my own bread mostly, which is made with organic grains, and I limit my intake of other grains that might have the breakdown chemistry of glyphosate in it.  That is probably enough to protect my wife and kids and grandkids, but they use a lot of other foods loaded with the residue.  With glyphosate, I guess the compound that forms from the breakdown has two problems with it.  A glycine molecule with an extra chemical tied to it that doesn't work right, it makes a glycine bond that is much weaker, glycine bonds hold muscles, ligments, cartilage, and bones together.  plus intestines....so it makes the beef, poultry, and pork less tough, but that glycine problem does cause some issues in people who consume those meats too, it does not bond strongly for our tissue development from what I read.  now, the organophosphate part, that is more relative to consuming cereals that contain it and breads, and even stuff like cornmeal treated with it.  It is used to decicate oats too, some major brand cereals were tested with the glyphosate and residue that far exceeded the legal limit....but Our FDA got right on it and raised the legal limit found in foods....they know how to protect their arses.  Now that high level is GRAS.  Even though that all testing in the past was based on the previous levels not effecting too many people...me being a person in the three percent of people who get cancer from even the lower levels.

But I now just buy some things organic, mostly grain products and of course, I usually buy Gerber Ahmish chicken and also we buy grass fed organic beef.  We also buy organic celery and carrots most times and sometimes organic cabbage...those things taste really good being organic.  Now they used glyphosate to decicate potato plants, but the department of agriculture changed their mind and said not to, because the yeild of potatoes drops the next season from using glyphosate to desicate.  The black in those potatoes now....that is most times from using the spray manure from cow pee and poop on the tomatoes for fertilizer, that is not good, they now advise against it at the department of agriculture.  10 20 20 works good for that.