And so it begins in the UK

[TzarChasm]

Litigiousness is not really a solution to a simple quandary.

Rather than affirm a universal standard... that any 'categorization' of a human is superfluous to the human condition they opted to punt.
In and of itself the distinction in law becomes the actual nexus of legal nonsense that serves only to propagate litigation.

Why not just affirm that "human" is the defining factor.. and gender, sex, or "not," is not justification for the law to control, or direct behavior.

But still, we elevate the problem by surrounding it with more legislation...

Biology, human or otherwise, is the defining factor. The point is not to legislate behavior but to cement the language of gender by tying a category to specific tangible assets and not epistemology.

[gort69]

Biology, human or otherwise, is the defining factor. The point is not to legislate behavior but to cement the language of gender by tying a category to specific tangible assets and not epistemology.

Are you trying to take the pist of ems, TC?

[quintessentone]

Here is the full Judgement.

My apologies for being an actual litigation lawyer.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_202...c48cee.pdf

So with intersex people, do their parents or the doctors decide or classify their sex upon birth?

I think they still have not got it quite right.

AI:

"In the United Kingdom, the term "hermaphrodite" is outdated and stigmatizing. The preferred term is "intersex", which refers to a range of natural variations in sex characteristics that don't fit typical binary notions of male or female. The UK currently doesn't allow intersex individuals to legally change their sex classification except through declaring they are transgender and following medical protocols. The term "intersex" is now widely accepted and used by medical professionals and activists to describe individuals born with variations in their sex characteristics, including those who were previously referred to as "hermaphrodites".  Elaboration:

• Outdated terminology: The term "hermaphrodite" is considered outdated and carries negative connotations. It's now generally replaced by the term "intersex".
  

• Intersex is an umbrella term: "Intersex" encompasses a wide range of variations in sex characteristics, including differences in chromosomes, gonads, hormones, or genitals.
  
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• Legal sex classification: In the UK, official documents like birth certificates and passports typically require a sex classification of either male or female. Intersex individuals are not allowed to change their legal sex classification unless they declare themselves transgender and meet the criteria for gender recognition.
  
• Gender recognition: While the UK does not recognize gender markers other than male or female on official documents, there's a growing understanding of the need for better treatment and recognition of intersex individuals, according to a HuffPost UK article.
  
• Medical terminology: Medical professionals have increasingly moved away from using terms like "hermaphrodite" and "pseudohermaphrodite" in favor of terms like "disorders of sex development" (DSD) to better reflect the diversity of intersex conditions, according to an article in Nature.
  
  

[Oldcarpy2]

So with intersex people, do their parents or the doctors decide or classify their sex upon birth?

I think they still have not got it quite right.

AI:

"In the United Kingdom, the term "hermaphrodite" is outdated and stigmatizing. The preferred term is "intersex", which refers to a range of natural variations in sex characteristics that don't fit typical binary notions of male or female. The UK currently doesn't allow intersex individuals to legally change their sex classification except through declaring they are transgender and following medical protocols. The term "intersex" is now widely accepted and used by medical professionals and activists to describe individuals born with variations in their sex characteristics, including those who were previously referred to as "hermaphrodites".  Elaboration:

• Outdated terminology: The term "hermaphrodite" is considered outdated and carries negative connotations. It's now generally replaced by the term "intersex".
  

• Intersex is an umbrella term: "Intersex" encompasses a wide range of variations in sex characteristics, including differences in chromosomes, gonads, hormones, or genitals.
  
•  
  
• Legal sex classification: In the UK, official documents like birth certificates and passports typically require a sex classification of either male or female. Intersex individuals are not allowed to change their legal sex classification unless they declare themselves transgender and meet the criteria for gender recognition.
  
• Gender recognition: While the UK does not recognize gender markers other than male or female on official documents, there's a growing understanding of the need for better treatment and recognition of intersex individuals, according to a HuffPost UK article.
  
• Medical terminology: Medical professionals have increasingly moved away from using terms like "hermaphrodite" and "pseudohermaphrodite" in favor of terms like "disorders of sex development" (DSD) to better reflect the diversity of intersex conditions, according to an article in Nature.
  
  

I don't know but it doesn't really interest me!

[BeyondKnowledge]

So with intersex people, do their parents or the doctors decide or classify their sex upon birth?

I think they still have not got it quite right.

AI:

"In the United Kingdom, the term "hermaphrodite" is outdated and stigmatizing. The preferred term is "intersex", which refers to a range of natural variations in sex characteristics that don't fit typical binary notions of male or female. The UK currently doesn't allow intersex individuals to legally change their sex classification except through declaring they are transgender and following medical protocols. The term "intersex" is now widely accepted and used by medical professionals and activists to describe individuals born with variations in their sex characteristics, including those who were previously referred to as "hermaphrodites".  Elaboration:

• Outdated terminology: The term "hermaphrodite" is considered outdated and carries negative connotations. It's now generally replaced by the term "intersex".
  

• Intersex is an umbrella term: "Intersex" encompasses a wide range of variations in sex characteristics, including differences in chromosomes, gonads, hormones, or genitals.
  
•  
  
• Legal sex classification: In the UK, official documents like birth certificates and passports typically require a sex classification of either male or female. Intersex individuals are not allowed to change their legal sex classification unless they declare themselves transgender and meet the criteria for gender recognition.
  
• Gender recognition: While the UK does not recognize gender markers other than male or female on official documents, there's a growing understanding of the need for better treatment and recognition of intersex individuals, according to a HuffPost UK article.
  
• Medical terminology: Medical professionals have increasingly moved away from using terms like "hermaphrodite" and "pseudohermaphrodite" in favor of terms like "disorders of sex development" (DSD) to better reflect the diversity of intersex conditions, according to an article in Nature.
  
  

A woman can vote, own land, and join the military in the UK can't they? Then what is the meaning of at least 90% of this gender on the paperwork? Useless information except for medical records I would think at this point. Just drop that blank on most documents. Simple solution.

Just come up with a non gender replacement for sir, maddom, mister, miss, him, her, and be done with it.

[quintessentone]

A woman can vote, own land, and join the military in the UK can't they? Then what is the meaning of at least 90% of this gender on the paperwork? Useless information except for medical records I would think at this point. Just drop that blank on most documents. Simple solution.

Just come up with a non gender replacement for sir, maddom, mister, miss, him, her, and be done with it.

What it looks like to me is that they have washed their hands of classifying intersex people outside the bounds of woman/man. They don't want to handle that hot potato so they may be hoping nobody notices or cares about it.

[Nerb]

Just come up with a non gender replacement for sir, maddom, mister, miss, him, her, and be done with it.

You're right. Be done with "it".

[Maxmars]

You're right. Be done with "it".

I think the military did... it's called "rank."

[McTech]

You could use wikipedia as evidence to blame a platform for its users content...

Good ol' "free speech"...

Im not a fan of any social media - just posting a bit of info I thought would be of interest.

Is this the same Gab?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

If so, good riddance to them, IMO.

[Kwaka]

So with intersex people, do their parents or the doctors decide or classify their sex upon birth?

Yes. Genetic birth defects do occur all over the body. Sometimes this happens with the sexual organs. It is not quite a penis or not quite a vagina that pops out. Responsibly, a decision is made by the parents and doctors about what to do. It generally inclines to the female side of things in such situations.