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#21
(06-11-2025, 10:21 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Well, you convinced me you saw a video on the internet, and it represents the outcome of every domestic abuse call

Plenty of people, men and women, get arrested all the time just because one or the other says the other touched them, completely without video evidence.

Which then leaves it to the discretion of the judge

As to the Macrons' incident, if they were a regular madame and monsieur, the officers would separate them the officers then determine if the altercation occurred during a verbal argument; if so, in America, the officer can easily arrest the attacker without the attacked wanting to press charges. 

just saying....

Cops can not arrest anyone unless they see physical evidence of abuse/violence because then anyone can claim abuse and have the other innocent party arrested.
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#22
(06-11-2025, 10:25 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Cops can not arrest anyone unless they see physical evidence of abuse/violence because then anyone can claim abuse and have the other innocent party arrested.

https://www.slgattorneysflorida.com/arrest.html
Quote:Yes, an officer can arrest an individual based on a report from someone claiming they were hit, as this can provide probable cause for the arrest, especially if the officer observes signs of injury or distress. The officer must believe that a crime has been committed and that the individual is the person responsible.

A fine distinction, but a distinction nonetheless

just saying...
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#23
(06-11-2025, 11:19 AM)putnam6 Wrote: https://www.slgattorneysflorida.com/arrest.html

A fine distinction, but a distinction nonetheless

just saying...

Most of the time they don't do anything if someone is under distress...look how they dealt with Gabby Petito and her boyfriend after witnesses saw him striking her in the car as he drove and then they called police. They were separated for a short while, that is all.
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#24
(06-11-2025, 11:22 AM)quintessentone Wrote:
(06-11-2025, 11:22 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Most of the time they don't do anything if someone is under distress...look how they dealt with Gabby Petito and her boyfriend after witnesses saw him striking her in the car as he drove and then they called police. They were separated for a short while, that is all.

Your body cam videos and Gabby Petito's incident are still only a few anecdotal incidents in police encounters regarding domestic abuse
 
Quote:On a typical day, domestic violence hotlines nationwide receive over 20,000 calls, which indicates a significant number of individuals seeking help for domestic abuse. Annually, more than 10 million people in the U.S. experience intimate partner physical violence.

There is no specific statistic available for how many domestic arrests are based solely on "he said, she said" testimony, but it is common for arrests to occur based on the word of one party involved in a dispute, especially in domestic violence cases. Such situations often rely heavily on the credibility of the witness's testimony, which can lead to arrests even without physical evidence.
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But change is 
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#25
(06-11-2025, 11:49 AM)putnam6 Wrote:  

Just as your single anecdotal claim is, what's your point?
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#26
(06-11-2025, 08:51 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Is a mild shove considered abuse in France?



Good question. I have no idea.

in USA if cop or court saw this and it was a man pushing woman he would goto jail.

woman would likely walk.

justice is not the same, guess everyone needs to decide for themselves if that is right/fair.

i’ve seen videos of skits/hidden camera setups with actors, woman hitting man. And people who don’t know it’s being recorded join in hitting or insulting man and cheer woman.

man hits woman people step in and attack man.

is that fair? Seems it is the general human response.
#27
(06-11-2025, 12:20 PM)pianopraze Wrote: Good question. I have no idea.

in USA if cop or court saw this and it was a man pushing woman he would goto jail.

woman would likely walk.

justice is not the same, guess everyone needs to decide for themselves if that is right/fair.

i’ve seen videos of skits/hidden camera setups with actors, woman hitting man. And people who don’t know it’s being recorded join in hitting or insulting man and cheer woman.

man hits woman people step in and attack man.

is that fair? Seems it is the general human response.

I doubt Macron would press charges any way, so it's between the two of them at this point.
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#28
(06-11-2025, 12:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Just as your single anecdotal claim is, what's your point?

The keyword here is common, widespread, prevalent represent a larger data set than a few anecdotal videos 

common /kŏm′ən/
adjective
  1. Belonging equally to or shared equally by two or more; joint.
    "common interests."

  2. Of or relating to the community as a whole; public.
    "for the common good."

  3. Widespread; prevalent.
    "Gas stations became common as the use of cars grew."

 
Quote:but it is common for arrests to occur based on the word of one party involved in a dispute, especially in domestic violence cases.
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But change is 
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#29
(06-11-2025, 12:28 PM)putnam6 Wrote: The keyword here is common, widespread, prevalent represent a larger data set than a few anecdotal videos 

common /kŏm′ən/
adjective
  1. Belonging equally to or shared equally by two or more; joint.
    "common interests."

  2. Of or relating to the community as a whole; public.
    "for the common good."

  3. Widespread; prevalent.
    "Gas stations became common as the use of cars grew."

 

That's not what I see on bodycam of American police dealing with domestic disputes on cop cam shows.
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#30
(06-11-2025, 12:30 PM)quintessentone Wrote: That's not what I see on bodycam of American police dealing with domestic disputes on cop cam shows.
Are you ready for the Pickles in a Jar song again?

We are back to anecdotal

Scientifically, anecdotal refers to less frequent, whereas common refers to more frequent ...


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