Lefties proven (again) to tend smarter than right-wingers

[quintessentone]

Not disputing this, but it's not relevant, I'm afraid. The study did not state that IQ was the only determinant of political affiliation. 

Most people venting on this thread haven't even read the abstract of the paper, let alone the whole thing.  They're just reacting to the triggers in my post headline and the title of the paper. Seeing it only as an opportunity to spew their prejudice rather than a subject to be discussed. 

Don't you go do the same as them. Be better.

Within your links, I am seeing the words 'may' 'inference' 'predicting' 'possibly' 'summarized theories' 'not known' 'could be' 'plausible'..

See what I'm getting at? It seems more of a hypothesis than any proven causal relationship.

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"Overall, intelligence has been found to be associated with beliefs that can be described as socially liberal and possibly also fiscally conservative."

"Although IQ is known to be associated with political belief, it is not known why this is the case."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11308703/

I've always held the belief that families tend to lean the same politically just to keep the peace in the family, so none of the criteria in those studies would really matter in those cases.

With all the flip flopping of political sides lately, to me, it appears what is causal in political leaning has to do with the basics of life, liberty, justice and affordability.

[Astyanax]

Within your links, I am seeing the words 'may' 'inference' 'predicting' 'possibly' 'summarized theories' 'not known' 'could be' 'plausible'..

See what I'm getting at? It seems more of a hypothesis than any proven causal relationship.

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"Overall, intelligence has been found to be associated with beliefs that can be described as socially liberal and possibly also fiscally conservative."

"Although IQ is known to be associated with political belief, it is not known why this is the case."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11308703/

I've always held the belief that families tend to lean the same politically just to keep the peace in the family, so none of the criteria in those studies would really matter in those cases.

With all the flip flopping of political sides lately, to me, it appears what is causal in political leaning has to do with the basics of life, liberty, justice and affordability.

Thank you for taking the trouble.

I'm not advancing any hypothesis about intelligence here. I don't think the authors are, either. The paper discovers a correlation between political views and 'cognitive performance and educational attainment.' What people read into it is up to them. What I infer from it is up to me too, in the same way, hence my mischievous choice of thread title. I don't know how well these traits correlate with general intelligence but in my experience right-wing views tend to be poorly articulated and emotionally argued, which is kind of of suggestive.

The right-wing ideas in the ascendant today are radical, not conservative, and most of them are self-defeating in one way or another. That, too, is suggestive.

[quintessentone]

Thank you for taking the trouble.

I'm not advancing any hypothesis about intelligence here. I don't think the authors are, either. The paper discovers a correlation between political views and 'cognitive performance and educational attainment.' What people read into it is up to them. What I infer from it is up to me too, in the same way, hence my mischievous choice of thread title. I don't know how well these traits correlate with general intelligence but in my experience right-wing views tend to be poorly articulated and emotionally argued, which is kind of of suggestive.

The right-wing ideas in the ascendant today are radical, not conservative, and most of them are self-defeating in one way or another. That, too, is suggestive.

All I am saying is considering how regular Americans seemed to have shifted or aligned their political positions depending upon the issue, as we see going on now with the majority of Americans being against this Iranian war or warmongering which makes the regular American poorer, either through loss of social services, higher national debt, and/or loss of affordability, it appears that the true factors leading to political choice may be more about putting Americans first for most people in your country. Doesn't the higher IQ then apply to all sides?

So are we really discussing IQ and other factors specifically within the extremism ideology of those two groups (right-wingers vs. far lefties) and not really Republicans vs. Democrats? Because that is a whole other kettle of fish.

[Oldcarpy2]

Anyone on the extreme side of either spectrums, left or right, must be a bit thick.

As I despise most if not all politicians, anyone that rabidly supports one is deluded.

[PorkChop96]

Assumptions, assumptions. And like most assumptions made on the basis of bigotry and prejudice (‘you people’ is always a tell, isn't it?) completely false.
 

You have yet to present a single verifiable datum on this thread. Your opinions are not facts.
 

Another uninformed, opinionated right-winger flees the thread in defeat. Bye-bye, then!

Uninformed? I am uninformed about the country I live and work in very single day? I am uninformed about interactions I have with retard lefties every single day that cant do more than take an order and believe everything they see on tiktok and Instagram? 


Sure whatever you say buddy. Calling someone "bigoted" and "prejudiced" for stating reality based facts is the epitome of being a lefty. Not surprised at all.

[Astyanax]

Uninformed? I am uninformed about the country I live and work in very single day?

Evidently, since you seem to have no idea what jobs left-wing people actually do in 'your' country – or anything else about them, really. You're hallucinating, concocting hateful made-up fantasies about what left-wing folk must be like. Your conception of a left-winger sounds like it was dreamed up by some meth-smoking, porn-addicted, gun-toting, gay-bashing, god-bothering, red-baseball-cap-wearing fool. I'm sure you're nothing like that, of course. But take care or you will be mistaken for one.
 

Calling someone "bigoted" and "prejudiced" for stating reality based facts is the epitome of being a lefty.

Addressing me as 'you people' means you have placed me in a category and have assigned various traits and values to me based on nothing but your imagination. That is the very epitome of prejudice.

[Oldcarpy2]

Uninformed? I am uninformed about the country I live and work in very single day? I am uninformed about interactions I have with retard lefties every single day that cant do more than take an order and believe everything they see on tiktok and Instagram? 


Sure whatever you say buddy. Calling someone "bigoted" and "prejudiced" for stating reality based facts is the epitome of being a lefty. Not surprised at all.

If you do have any reality based facts, perhaps you might be able to post a source?

[ARM1968]

If you do have any reality based facts, perhaps you might be able to post a source?

Same old Carpy eh?   The old bait a switch.  The reality in which we all live is evidence enough, and you know it well. The left are nuts, or what passes for the left these days - you know, the anti free speech folks, the anti semites, the people who get confused about make and female, the ones who try to block elections they’ll lose, those guys cuddling up to Islam—thinks they’ve found a political buddy (now that truly is nuts), the ones who like a good old open border. I mean we could go on and on. But rather than face the truth and admit to it, you’ll just wriggle like you always do, deflect and sink into that shell of intellectual superiority you try to use as armour, without ever realising it’s your own prison.

[EXETER]

Thank you for taking the trouble.

I'm not advancing any hypothesis about intelligence here. I don't think the authors are, either. The paper discovers a correlation between political views and 'cognitive performance and educational attainment.' What people read into it is up to them. What I infer from it is up to me too, in the same way, hence my mischievous choice of thread title. I don't know how well these traits correlate with general intelligence but in my experience right-wing views tend to be poorly articulated and emotionally argued, which is kind of of suggestive.

The right-wing ideas in the ascendant today are radical, not conservative, and most of them are self-defeating in one way or another. That, too, is suggestive.

Actually, I think they are making a stronger statement than that.  They begin their discussion by stating that it has long been known that there is an association (or correlation) between elevated IQ and a range of political beliefs including liberalism, anti-racism, support for the EU and NATO, free speech, tolerance  and anti-authoritarianism.  They refer to that collection of beliefs as left-wing.  Their study was addressing the direction of causality between those two facts.  Do left-wing beliefs make someone more intelligent, or are more intelligent people more likely to have left-wing beliefs?  It has been well known for some period of time that IQ has a strong genetic component.  In this study, they calculated polygenic scores for the participants in the study. Polygenic scores look at a large number of genetic predispositions within an individual's DNA and from that a statistical inference can be made about how likely that individual is to have some particular genetically linked trait--in this case elevated IQ.  They showed that those individuals who were predicted to have elevated IQ actually were more likely to have elevated IQ test scores and both the prediction of the elevated IQ and the actual results of IQ testing was associated with left-wing beliefs.  The only reasonable conclusion from this is that genetic predisposition causes a higher probability of elevated IQ and elevated IQ causes a higher probability of an individual having left wing beliefs.  

As with all statistical arguments, these results DO NOT say that all individuals with left-wing beliefs have elevated IQs or that individuals with right-wing beliefs all have lower than average IQs.

[rickymouse]

For those of us who still need it proved to them (not the brightest tools in the woodshed, these).

But hardly news: previous studies have also indicated the same thing.

Click the link below for the full article, peer reviewed and open-sourced on PubMed.

Before replying, kindly note that I am a political centrist.
 

I have been a conservative for many years now, just a moderate conservative.  I used to be somewhat of a moderate liberal, but I saw too much change in the left and swung more to the right when the left started ignoring common sense and started to make irrational changes to society that benefitted those who were anarchists.

When my IQ was tested in High school it was around 165 according to some records my neurologist got after my accident where I acquired temporal lobe epilepsy...but I would say it has gone down somewhat over the last fifty some years....must be because I leaned conservative.    It's nice to know it is not because I am seventy...I have a good excuse now for those who may say I have age related cognitive decline. 

One thing I learned at a young age...don't get brainwashed into believing in political lies and promises they never intend to keep.  We sent the people who can deceive the best to represent us in DC hoping they can get something good for the voters they represent...but now it is just about them supporting their party, not all the people from the area they represent. 

I quit being a liberal when I saw that they were protesting things that were not rational.  More and more it was just about causing disruption in society.

It does not take a rocket scientist to be able to see what is going on.