Plane collision with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC - Political Debate

[putnam6]

First of all lets end the notion that a "week long" ATC hiring freeze was responsible. Even a newly hired experienced ATC person is trained for weeks in a new area before they can go solo, it's even longer for completely brand new trainees.

ie they don't take a hired experienced ATC person from Hartsfield Jackson in Atlanta and immediately plug them into an ATC job at Ronald Reagan Airport in DC, it takes time and they must be tested and rated for that area.  

Eventually, the hiring freeze will affect ATC's quality, but that's not the case in just a few days. They do not float new hires immediately into high-traffic locales such as DC

[RickyD]

This comes from another site but I felt like the folks who I know would know are posting here...so Inwill transfer the convo for opinion here.

Just some copy paste from Newsweek on Lobach…

She had no deployments, the Army said, but had received several commendations, including the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Army Service Ribbon.

She volunteered as a White House military social aide, assisting in official functions, including Medal of Honor and Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremonies.

Pictures of a ceremony show Lobach escorting fashion designer Ralph Lauren as he received his Presidential Medal of Freedom from former President Joe Biden.

Lobach also served as a certified Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) victim advocate.

"My experiences with SHARP have reinforced my resolve to serve others with compassion, understanding, and the resources necessary for healing," Lobach once said, per her family's statement.

Rebecca began her career in the United States Army as a distinguished military graduate in ROTC at the University of North Carolina, and was in the top 20 percent of cadets nationwide.

"She achieved the rank of captain, having twice served as a platoon leader and as a company executive officer in the 12th Aviation Battalion, Davison Army Airfield, Fort Belvoir, Virginia. With more than 450 hours of flight time, she earned certification as a pilot-in-command after extensive testing by the most senior and experienced pilots in her battalion."

And my response which I would like to know how accurate it is...

Without looking each of those commendations up...not medals mind you...commendations...bit of a difference...they all sound like the type of thing you can stack on someone who used to be one of your aids and fits the DEI bill you pushed so hard to implement. Also after some searching on the web...it appears to be pretty rare for anyone already an O class to be a helo pilot outside of rare cases. Its sure not her original MOS or career path or she would be a WO and not an O3. I am leaning towards she was either done a favor after the whitehouse or used to futher a political agenda.

Extra bit: I have spent a good 15-20min looking through search results for officers...especially O3s who endup being pilots of any kind in the army...and it appears very rare...most of them were deployed SF combat arms types.

[quintessentone]

This comes from another site but I felt like the folks who I know would know are posting here...so Inwill transfer the convo for opinion here.


And my response which I would like to know how accurate it is...

Without looking each of those commendations up...not medals mind you...commendations...bit of a difference...they all sound like the type of thing you can stack on someone who used to be one of your aids and fits the DEI bill you pushed so hard to implement. Also after some searching on the web...it appears to be pretty rare for anyone already an O class to be a helo pilot outside of rare cases. Its sure not her original MOS or career path or she would be a WO and not an O3. I am leaning towards she was either done a favor after the whitehouse or used to futher a political agenda.

Extra bit: I have spent a good 15-20min looking through search results for officers...especially O3s who endup being pilots of any kind in the army...and it appears very rare...most of them were deployed SF combat arms types.

None of that matters because she was not in command of the helicopter and did not make the final decisions.

[Maxmars]

I can grant that there will always be some who think that the 'social attributes' of a person somehow changes their worth.  How that plays out often seems to get to the point of dysfunction, if reporting is to be simply believed as social commentary.  I can also grant that any scrutiny into this tragedy should be robust enough to include anything relevant to the incident... 

But I'm echoing a previous plea elsewhere, 

Please remember that these people... human beings, with lives and families and friends just like you.  That they are caught in the web of activist flame wars should never be allowed to succeed in making them into "objects." 

Individuals are as they are, the rest is on us.

[chr0naut]

They were using regular radio channels, but both aircraft were on different frequencies. They also use transponder data in the tower.

Sadly, most responders in this thread are fanbois of the President. Everything you tell them gets filtered in their heads to try and conform it to whatever guff blows out of his stream of consciousness rants. They cannot seem to conceive that the idiot in chief is nothing more than an empty prop fronting for a replacement deep-state. This is indicated by the way he frequently just gets things wrong, and says dumb stuff, and then everyone has to adjust their understanding to comply and make excuses (https://www.shortlist.com/news/most-ridi...mment-text).

The truth is, this was an accident, unintended by anyone, and not blameable on any one entity or person, because the world is too complex for any human being, or group, to always fully anticipate.

[KKLoco]

Sadly, most responders in this thread are fanbois of the President. Everything you tell them gets filtered in their heads to try and conform it to whatever guff blows out of his stream of consciousness rants. They cannot seem to conceive that the idiot in chief is nothing more than an empty prop fronting for a replacement deep-state. This is indicated by the way he frequently just gets things wrong, and says dumb stuff, and then everyone has to adjust their understanding to comply and make excuses (https://www.shortlist.com/news/most-ridi...mment-text).

The truth is, this was an accident, unintended by anyone, and not blameable on any one entity or person, because the world is too complex for any human being, or group, to always fully anticipate.

It's certainly reasuruing that you have everything figured out. Your brilliance is quite astonishing, actually. You've stooped to the utter retard level of blaming this tragedy on Trump. 

Thank you for the comedy! It its certainly needed at the moment....

[Sirius]

I can grant that there will always be some who think that the 'social attributes' of a person somehow changes their worth.  How that plays out often seems to get to the point of dysfunction, if reporting is to be simply believed as social commentary.  I can also grant that any scrutiny into this tragedy should be robust enough to include anything relevant to the incident... 

But I'm echoing a previous plea elsewhere, 

Please remember that these people... human beings, with lives and families and friends just like you.  That they are caught in the web of activist flame wars should never be allowed to succeed in making them into "objects." 

Individuals are as they are, the rest is on us.

Tying everything that happens in to whatever is popular in politics at the moment doesn't help our cause here and takes us further away from the truth.  Seems like a good way for me to control narratives.

Frankly I personally find it abhorrent when something that is obviously a tragedy gets mixed into this.  Imagine your the family, how are they supposed to cope with going on social media and get bombarded with their loss.  This is also we I never post in these threads.

Memetic warfare in full swing..

[chr0naut]

It's certainly reasuruing that you have everything figured out. Your brilliance is quite astonishing, actually. You've stooped to the utter retard level of blaming this tragedy on Trump. 

Thank you for the comedy! It its certainly needed at the moment....

Trump is probably not to blame for the collision, but he is never to blame for anything he does, ever, so, there's that.

:P

But the Blackhawk flight was a "continuity of government" exercise. I suppose someone must have decided that it was a good time to do it?

Anyway, there's this:

Timeline of Donald Trump's Impact on FAA Prior to D.C. Plane Crash

... and, also:

Trump Misleads on D.E.I. Policies in Blaming Biden for Plane Crashl

And such false and defamatory stuff by someone prominent also has consequence:

As crash victims' families start calling lawyers, Trump's words may be evidence in suits

Is it conceivable that he does actually bear some tiny bit of responsibility, even though you don't really want to admit to it?

Could a geriatric who was showing some signs of the onset of dementia 5 years ago, actually be considered a D.E.I. hire himself?

:P

It seems that some Americans are drawing the same conclusions:

Pritzker Says Trump ‘Unfit to Lead’ After President’s Response to Fatal DC Plane Crash

[Mantiss2021]

Trump is probably not to blame for the collision, but he is never to blame for anything he does, ever, so, there's that.

:P

But the Blackhawk flight was a "continuity of government" exercise. I suppose someone must have decided that it was a good time to do it?

Anyway, there's this:

Timeline of Donald Trump's Impact on FAA Prior to D.C. Plane Crash

... and, also:

Trump Misleads on D.E.I. Policies in Blaming Biden for Plane Crashl

And such false and defamatory stuff by someone prominent also has consequence:

As crash victims' families start calling lawyers, Trump's words may be evidence in suits

Is it conceivable that he does actually bear some tiny bit of responsibility, even though you don't really want to admit to it?

Could a geriatric who was showing some signs of the onset of dementia 5 years ago, actually be considered a D.E.I. hire himself?

:P

It seems that some Americans are drawing the same conclusions:

Pritzker Says Trump ‘Unfit to Lead’ After President’s Response to Fatal DC Plane Crash

It is being reported that the Blackhawk was equipped with an ADS-B system, but that it was not turned on for this flight.

Since the ADS-B system allows aircraft to be accurately tracked via GPS, it is often turned off on aircraft transporting VIP's.

Since this Blackhawk was supposedly conducting a "Continuity of Government" training mission, it is conceivable that, to more accurately simulate the conditions of an actual "CoG" flight (which would likely be transporting a vital Government VIP), the crew, specifically the pilot, would have turned the ADS-B off.