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(08-24-2025, 12:09 PM)Harte Wrote: There's no way a Value Added Tax will pass here, like the one you put on our exports.
So now you're complaining about tariffs that were deigned to match that extra cost you put on us?
That seems lame.
Harte
Those tariffs will soon hit US consumers.
Do you understand how VAT works?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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08-24-2025, 12:52 PM
This post was last modified: 08-24-2025, 12:55 PM by putnam6. 
For perspective, John Bolton suggests
It's expected to raise prices by a whole 1-1.5%
That's a little over 5 bucks for every 350 bucks spent
FFS
Im as broke as Ive ever been in my adult life, but between petrol and prescriptions, Im well ahead of the game expense-wise
the atypical tempest in a teacup
Quote:Broader Impacts on Americans- Inflation: Tariffs are expected to raise U.S. consumer prices by 1–1.5% in 2025, with 70% of tariff costs passed to consumers by fall 2025.
- Job Losses: While tariffs aim to protect U.S. industries, they may harm sectors reliant on imports (e.g., automotive, retail), with 60–80 jobs lost for every steel job saved.
- Supply Chain Issues: Tariffs could cause shortages and higher freight costs, affecting product availability and retail operations.
- Regressive Impact: Tariffs act as a regressive tax, disproportionately affecting lower-income households, who spend a larger share of income on imported goods like clothing and food.
Conclusion
New U.S. tariff deals with the EU, Japan, Canada, Mexico, China, the Philippines, and the UK, justified partly by misconceptions about VAT, will likely hurt Americans through higher consumer prices, supply chain disruptions, and potential retaliatory tariffs. The EU and China pose the largest risks due to their significant trade volumes and high tariff rates (20% and 54%, respectively), while Canada and Mexico’s USMCA exemptions limit immediate impacts. VAT itself does not distort trade, and targeting it with tariffs may escalate trade wars, ultimately increasing costs for American consumers and businesses without addressing underlying trade deficits.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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(08-24-2025, 08:09 AM)Waterglass Wrote: "Folks this is just he beginning and I welcome it."
I have known a retired US Federal Agent since 1987, who also served in the West Wing as Secret Service Presidential detail. Never once has he ever used the term; "DEEP STATE". Post Boltons FBI raid he [my contact] posted an email stating Bolton is the face of the Deep State and the corrupt house of cards will begin to crumble. I hope so. Trump since almost waxed twice I am sure isnt one for kicks and giggles like his 1st term. Its now fire and brimstone. We need more trials for treason in the USA
How about a shout out to suck up Steven Colbert and the filth over at MSNBC
You may find The Professor very enlightening. Rambo and Frens went through this last night.
https://www.theprofessorsrecord.com/post...war-powers
Also the NGO's are a big part of the problem. DataRepublican was working with Elon Musk and she uncovered a lot.
https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1889172190282821690
As for Bolton what is currently happening is only the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/2...cil-597917
Bolton's long time contact Freedman appears very sus. "Freedman played a central role meeting with potential job applicants for the National Security Council before Bolton officially started".
Why would he engage him when the Trump administration had terminated him because "he used his global consulting firm email for transition work."
Frankly it's weird. "An outsider with his own global consulting business should not have been shaping the agency that handles the most sensitive foreign policy matters."
Bolton also has connections to foundations-
Foundation for American Security and Freedom.
American Enterprise Institute.
Chairman of the John Bolton PAC and John Bolton Super PAC.
I believe the smoking gun is going to be what has been funded through them. How much was stolen and who participated?
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(08-24-2025, 12:52 PM)putnam6 Wrote: "For perspective, John Bolton suggests
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It's expected to raise prices by a whole 1-1.5%
That's a little over 5 bucks for every 350 bucks spent
FFS
Im as broke as Ive ever been in my adult life, but between petrol and prescriptions, Im well ahead of the game expense-wise
the atypical tempest in a teacup: 
From your source:
"ConclusionNew U.S. tariff deals with the EU, Japan, Canada, Mexico, China, the Philippines, and the UK, justified partly by misconceptions about VAT, will likely hurt Americans through higher consumer prices, supply chain disruptions, and potential retaliatory tariffs. The EU and China pose the largest risks due to their significant trade volumes and high tariff rates (20% and 54%, respectively), while Canada and Mexico’s USMCA exemptions limit immediate impacts. VAT itself does not distort trade, and targeting it with tariffs may escalate trade wars, ultimately increasing costs for American consumers and businesses without addressing underlying trade deficits."
Oh Dear....
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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Bolton also was involved with USAID. As we've seen USAID was the vehicle used to launder money worldwide and they funded some very strange projects. More likely mass theft.
President Trump shut it down which has made Billy the Gates most angry. His foundation was partnering with USAID to deploy jabs to Africa and India.
Bolton was General Council to USAID 1981-1982 and Assistant Administrator for the program and Policy Coordinator 1982-1983. 7 years later Gates announced the Decade of Vaccines.
The book may just be the start.
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(08-23-2025, 03:27 PM)ReturnofBroccoli Wrote: Im more fond of your list. The FDA has poisoned Americans long enough. Im sure many are profitting and of course corporations should not be allowed to lobby. They are not citizens. I dont have much against the gates and I may be ignorant of a few things they've done but my main reasoning is that I dont think its ok to make inferior product when it the default in the majority of the world's systems. Its like they just gave up. Either that, or they're complicit in their irresponsible security practices, that would not surprise me. The rest i agree.
Billy is far more dangerous than most realize. He has had close ties to various government officials. Obama in fact was very closely aligned, along with Fauci. Rory, his mysterious son has also infiltrated the government.
Scroll down to analyst. Somehow I'm not reassured.
https://www.afghanistanwarcommission.sen...ographies/
In fact Gates Foundation scientists worked with scientists at the NIH, which strikes me as very odd. In fact the NIH and the Gates Foundation formed a partnership-
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/me...bal-health
In his book "How to Prevent the Next Pandemic" he mentions his close friendship with Fauci and that they would talk weekly about the Covid-19 plandemic. By having GAVI already established, all the legal details had been ironed out so that the jabs could quickly be rolled out to Africa and India.
Since Bolton held positions at USAID, the very agency that partnered with the Gates Foundation, what did he do and what did he know?
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All thats going on in the world and some piss thier knickers over a potential 1.5% increase...
Oh dear indeed...
AMERICA will be more than fine... likely and may are the operative words... from my quote
It's a 1-1.5% increase at most, even with my limited fixed income. We have saved so much in petrol and prescriptions already in 2025; 1.5% is nothing.
Additionally, our normally economically skittish industry so far looks robust and on the rebound for 2026, with 2 trade markets in the books, traffic and volume are up considerably... if we can hold this momentum for just 6 more months, we will be solid for 2026 too.
Besides, why worry? The WCSWNFB economic collapse would LIKELY end the Republican majority and MAY crush Vance's chance against Gavin...
Ending the reign of the orange man who would be king...
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(08-24-2025, 12:32 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Those tariffs will soon hit US consumers.
Do you understand how VAT works?
Yes, I realize it adds costs to goods. In manufacturing, for example, at each step, the VAT is added.
But you are adding them to things you didn't manufacture (or create) as well (imports,) effectively taxing me, and other foreigners, for things you want to buy. Of course, companies minimize the impact to themselves by raising prices.
In both cases, costs are passed on to the consumer. In the case of goods imported to the US, because of the size of our market, fewer are passed on to us than would be if a foreign country wasn't dependent on sales here.
If you want the sales here to continue, you're gonna eat most of the tariff or we will buy less (or none) of your stuff. That's why there are exemptions to tariffs for things we NEED to buy - even for Chinese products.
The US tariffs are effectively a VAT on foreign goods.
Harte
"A wise man will enjoy the goods of which there is a plentiful supply, and of intellectual rubbish he will find an abundant diet, in our own age as in every other.“ Bertrand Russell
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(08-24-2025, 03:05 PM)putnam6 Wrote: All thats going on in the world and some piss thier knickers over a potential 1.5% increase...
It's a 1-1.5% increase at most, even with my limited fixed income. We have saved so much in petrol and prescriptions already in 2025; 1.5% is nothing.
The fed aims for a 2% inflation rate on a yearly basis.
Adding another 1-1.5% is a large increase on top of the planned 2%.
That may not be good for interest rates, but great for any manufacturing that comes back to America.
In the end it just adds to the inflation marathon we have been going through.
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Haven't been reading the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned that no one is above the law?
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