Israel Ministers sanctioned by UK, AU, CA, NZ

[andy06shake]

I’m being honest.

Do you understand the difference between a rocket that is an antitank round, a mortar, and a airstrike.

If you were being honest, you would accept the facts and evidence that suggest Israel was responsible for the attack in question, hence the evidence and eyewitness accounts that suggest just that.

Why can't you understand that antitank guided missiles can kill people just as easily as they can armour?

And the answer is, because you refuse to accept the facts that the IDF carried out said attack despite the evidence and reports.

Next.

[WallFlowerActive]

Open-source investigations is who "they" are in this instance.


https://thepublicsource.org/israeli-resp...din-street

Also from your source.

It should be noted that this information is not an analysis produced by weapons experts, and therefore cannot be accepted as a final conclusion, and does not represent a claim by the authors of the investigation. It is merely an analysis of the data available so far.
While it is possible that the ammunition remnants may belong to any of the military forces within the possible range for firing this type of shell, this cannot be confirmed. The ammunition remnants are merely additional evidence that can be used in open-source investigations, and other explanations for their presence at the attack site must be considered

https://thepublicsource.org/israeli-resp...din-street

How do you get spike missile?  Did you link to a source you think is wrong?  Why?  When this one source clearly claims and shows a picture of a mortar shell fragment that is clearly not from a spike missile.

[andy06shake]

One of your sources.



Also from your source.



A Mortar is not an “air strike”.  

A mortar is not a Spike antitank missile.

A mortar is a ground based weapon.  A rage of 6,000 meters. 

The mortar fragment in the report looks like the tail piece of an Iranian 81 or 82 mm mortar shell.
 
Iran provides or sells mortars and shells to Hamas.

That's nice, but the fact is it was not a mortar round responsible for the death and destruction.

Mortar rounds typically cause more scattered damage and are less precise, while the incidents on Salah al-Din Road described in investigations and reports show signs of precise targeting, consistent with air or drone strikes.

Again, you refuse to entertain the eyewitnesses and forensic analyses from organisations monitoring these events.

Because you obviously wish to see those poor people perish under an Israeli jackboot. 

Else, simply say it's not so?

[rickymouse]

Israel did not start the war.  They just protected their soverenty.  those groups that caused it were proxy groups of iran who gave them or sold them the weapons.  I think it was justifiable for Israel to also protect themselves from a direct conflict that Iran chose at their time that would be when Iran had the best advantage.  Israel finally went after the ones pulling the strings of the GAZA war, that war was mostly Iran's fault in my opinion.  If those countries leaders that are sanctioning the leaders of Israel, then it seems those countries citizens should vote those leaders out of office because they are blind as bats.

It is not necessarily Iran's people that are bad, it is their leadership that are the problem.  Hamas has also brainwashed lots of people in Gaza, It must be hard for Israel's soldiers there, they must not trust the civilians because it is hard to know who they should be concerned about and that makes war harder with the laws they have in place that protect civilians..

[andy06shake]

Also from your source.

How do you get spike missile?  Did you link to a source you think is wrong?  Why?  When this one source clearly claims and shows a picture of a mortar shell fragment that is clearly not from a spike missile.

You mean part of an M43 81mm mortar shell?

Used by the ""Israeli"" military?

I wonder how that got there? 

Again, investigations and reports show signs of precise targeting, consistent with air or drone strikes so.................

The same reports you choose to ignore, because you have an ulterior motive.

Hermes 900 and Heron TP drones carry the Spike NLOS missile, which is designed specifically for long-range precision strikes, thats "how we get spike missile".

[UltraBudgie]

ireland pushes for eu sanctions of israel:

Taoiseach says Europe's inability to put pressure on Israel over war is 'incomprehensible'

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said that it is “incomprehensible that Europe does not seem to be in a position to put pressure and leverage on Israel to stop this war in Gaza”.

He also suggested that Europe needed to follow other countries’ steps to sanction individual ministers, noting that the UK, Norway and Canada had further sanctions against settlers in the West Bank and against Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich.

He made the comments ahead of an EU Council Meeting in Brussels on Thursday, where it was expected that some countries would block Ireland’s attempts to sanction Israel.

Mr Martin said that there must be European action to try and stop the war.

He said: “The people of Europe find it incomprehensible that Europe does not seem to be in a position to put pressure on Israel and leverage on Israel to stop this war in Gaza, to stop the continuing slaughter of children and innocent civilians.

...

Mr Martin said he will call on his counterparts to consider the EU-Israel Association Agreement and any further actions that can be taken against Israel.

A review of the agreement found indications that Israel had breached human rights obligations contained within the deal.

Benjamin Neyenyahu’s Government has criticised the Government, with the Taoiseach criticising this in turn.

He said: “Israel needs to stop denouncing every report that comes out using objective criteria to describe the situation in Gaza.

...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-ne...r-35458919

mmm no pretty comprehensible haha

[WallFlowerActive]

That's nice, but the fact is it was not a mortar round responsible for the death and destruction.

This is your source

This is the link you provided.

https://thepublicsource.org/israeli-resp...din-street

This is right from your source.

 
Salah al-Din Street: Israeli Airstrikes on Convoy of Displaced People
 Probable AmmunitionThe video published by journalist Al-Zanoon on his Instagram account, taken a day after the incident, shows burned cars. At 0:09”, ammunition remnants can be seen on the ground, relatively similar to the rear propellers of mortar shells. They are small in size and may belong to 81 mm or 82 mm mortar shells.

https://thepublicsource.org/israeli-resp...din-street

Your source is the one claiming mortar shell.  Do you understand I’m citing and quoting your source?  Hello?

[WallFlowerActive]

You mean part of an M43 81mm mortar shell?

I posted exactly what I wanted to post.

The mortar fragment in the report looks like the tail piece of an Iranian 81 or 82 mm mortar shell.
 
Iran provides or sells mortars and shells to Hamas.

[andy06shake]

This is your source

This is the link you provided.

This is right from your source.

Your source is the one claiming mortar shell.  Do you understand I’m citing and quoting your source?  Hello?

The presence of mortar shell fragments near burned cars on Salah al-Din Street doesn’t prove the attack was caused by mortar fire.

Mortar pieces can be found on conflict sites due to various factors, including previous bombardments or secondary explosions.

Again, investigations by open-source intelligence and forensic analyses show the damage and impact patterns are consistent with precise airstrikes from drones or aircraft, not mortars, which have a wider, less targeted impact.

Witnesses and video evidence further support that Israeli airstrikes, not mortar rounds, caused the deadly attack on the convoy.

You're simply cherry-picking pieces of information to support your failed argument while ignoring the rest.

[WallFlowerActive]

The presence of mortar shell fragments near burned cars on Salah al-Din Street doesn’t prove the attack was caused by mortar fire.

I quoted and cited the “investigative report” you linked to.  It clearly claims the event at Salah al-Din Street was the ammunition type of a mortar.

That is the link you provided.