Is Telepathy real?

[andy06shake]

The example I gave was quoted from a case looked into from a reputable universities dept of Para psychology. 
 Trauma from past lives , usually the death experience seem to be the reason for a lot of health conditions in the present life. Which if treated seem to clear up. In many but not all cases. So cultures who have studied it. Have a lot more insight into the whys and wherefores. Reincarnation is just accepted in most of the world.. we might be a bit to materialistic to look seriously at it.

Again, there is no sort of real proof, and that does not constitute such. 

Also, you have not even bothered to address the questions i posed.

The reason is that you cannot. 

Materialism is not the issue, logically, reincarnation doesn't make sense.

If you can't remember doing something in a past life, punishment in this one is simply counterproductive to existence.

The same with reward. 

Hence pointless.

People choose to accept all sorts of organised religious practices around the globe to the tune of around 80% of the global population.

They can't all be correct, because they are not all claiming the same things, and neither is reincarnation.

[andy06shake]

you are possessed by a demon, I have known it for a while. we can exorcise it together. list your vices and the first song that pops into your head for the color green, post the youtube video here. we will find the demon together and exorcise it

Would you like my mother's maiden name and bank details as well? LoL

And that doesn't sound judgmental at all. 

I mean, do you accuse many people who dont exactly see things the same way as you of being possessed?

If so, i imagine that's rather handy. 

I'll exercise my own demons ta very much.

And i suggest you do the same. 

[UltraBudgie]

Many of these things, such as past lives, are self-evident. It is pointless to try and argue them.

Is the sky real to someone who lives their life in a cave?

[andy06shake]

Many of these things, such as past lives, are self-evident. It is pointless to try and argue them.

Is the sky real to someone who lives their life in a cave?

How so? 

And objectively no, but physically yes.

I mean it has Plato's Allegory of the Cave written all over the question.

[UltraBudgie]

How so? 

And obviously no, but physically yes.

I mean it has Plato's Allegory of the Cave written all over the question.

I am saying it requires years of work to develop the perception of what it self-evident. To use your analogy, you cannot be led out of the cave, you must find your own way, and it is no easy path. Have you done the work? It's okay, no one expects you to understand. The self-evident is very far from the obvious.

And yes, feel free to dismiss this as self-reinforcing mystical-elitist gobbledygook.

[andy06shake]

I am saying it requires years of work to develop the perception of what it self-evident. To use your analogy, you cannot be led out of the cave, you must find your own way, and it is no easy path. Have you done the work? It's okay, no one expects you to understand. The self-evident is very far from the obvious.

And yes, feel free to dismiss this as self-reinforcing mystical-elitist gobbledygook.

How are past lives self-evident?

Just break it down for me as plain as possible, because im just not seeing the evidence.

Past lives are not self-evident in a scientific sense, that's for sure. 

But again, it's actual facts that are required to prove something is possible or real, feelings not so much.

As to your gobbledygook, naw, debate with you is welcome.

What happens when you have two people alive at the same time, claiming to be Mary Queen of Scots in a previous life?

Who's right and who is wrong?

Because it can't be both.

What about the ones that claim to be the likes of Leonardo da Vinci and yet have no sort of artistic temperament or applicable skill sets, what happened there?

And why do so many people who claim past lives only remember being the likes of royalty, warriors, or dramatic figures from history rather than the average Joe?

Im apt to ponder that's simply wishful thinking, or because they wish to be seen as special as opposed to any other reason if im honest.

[UltraBudgie]

Those are interesting questions! They lead to several assumptions about identity that it's worth meditating on. Do you believe skills are innate or developed? Is identity more than an amalgam of sense-memory? Consider Bergson's distinction of 'pure memory'. Another dimension worth considering is assumptions of linear temporality, especially with regard to how that is measured. Personally, I think there's many fundamental insights to be had in considering that.

But ah, again you ask to be taught that which can only be learned. And in context of your view of reality, too. I'm afraid that is sort of like asking to be explained quantum mechanics in terms of the colour blue. One must really learn the maths.

[andy06shake]

Those are interesting questions! They lead to several assumptions about identity that it's worth meditating on. Do you believe skills are innate or developed? Is identity more than an amalgam of sense-memory? Consider Bergson's distinction of 'pure memory'. Another dimension worth considering is assumptions of linear temporality, especially with regard to how that is measured. Personally, I think there's many fundamental insights to be had in considering that.

But ah, again you ask to be taught that which can only be learned. And in context of your view of reality, too. I'm afraid that is sort of like asking to be explained quantum mechanics in terms of the colour blue. One must really learn the maths.

As far as i understand skills are mostly developed, though traits like memory, coordination, and temperament.

Of course, identity is more than sense-memory.

Identity arises from values, choices, relationships, and imagination, then there are the stories we tell ourselves.

Some truths can't be handed down like facts, they require lived experience.

None of which proves the likes of reincarnation.

And im noticing you're refusing to answer my question directly.

And im apt to ponder the reason is because you can't.

Dont worry, nobody can satisfactorily, so we are all in the same club there.

[UltraBudgie]

And im noticing you're refusing to answer my question directly.

And im apt to ponder the reason is because you can't.

You would very very much not like it if I did.

Something to ponder.

[andy06shake]

You would very very much not like it if I did.

Something to ponder.

I did not ask you to do something i would like UltraBudgie.

But i would prefer a direct answer as opposed to the obfuscation.

Truth doesn't bend to preference, comfort, or belief.

It's independent of what we want to be real. 

I mean, if it's somewhat unpalatable just PM me the response.