Intense psychological turmoil - and encounters

[Sirius]

yeah but nah,
 
your op link is opinion, no authority and I didn’t have your common experience, or anyone else’s 

you don’t know my faith, clearly
I am not sure you are do anything more than creating in your own mind, a faith (Christianity) to suit your own narrative 

I don’t need to do anything you suggest, Jesus already completed everything, I need to rest in the works of Jesus

In Christ, I am already a Priest, in Him, I already have open access to God
I just have to hold my faith and not rely on feelings

Feelings, and that seems to be your message, feelings 

As this relates to UFOs and that thread, no UFO experience either, so no turmoil or scream out moment you infer
Poor me

I'm a bit dense sorry, what is upsetting or what are you objecting to exactly?

[Creaky]

Sundance Ceremonies

It was noted that only the most committed individuals performs this ceremony. 

Right so what have we got here? Channeling a powerful entity, the sun no less.

I can dig this.

Yikes!

 

Yeah so it's just an observation. I mentioned this at the start "Christianity differs from the previous "tribes" mentioned in that they involved everyone making a connection in the tribe"

You have to go become a novitiate or flagelants that is a tiny offshoot to learn things that is common in other religions.  Maybe devotion is the wrong word, so help me. Why do some people literally see angles and saints and miracles performed and others don't and why do the go to lengths to commune?

I can’t help you or explain why
I have a Protestant leaning, I don’t know Catholicism or their reasoning for their rituals

I just wanted to explain that when I made a commitment to my faith, no turmoil, no experience, a conscious reasoned decision to accept Jesus and His forgiveness 

I havnt seen UFOs or saints, havnt seen angels or Jesus
I have seen miracles but not experienced one personally, why am I missing out? 

As for alien abductions, non Christian’s and Christian’s alike call out Jesus name and are released from abductions so I have researched 
https://youtu.be/XiKL49YqzB4

I don’t see your connection from the other thread and my position
Aliens fear Jesus

[Creaky]

I'm a bit dense sorry, what is upsetting or what are you objecting to exactly?

What’s upsetting, what’s objectionable is saying I had trauma, that I had an experience, when in fact I didnt
No great moment, no drums or night terrors, no intense psychological traumas 
Took me years to commit to the faith I follow 
Most Christian’s I know didn’t have the experience either

I am not saying you are dense, with respect, you are ignorant, as I am with Roman Catholic ritual

[Sirius]

What’s upsetting, what’s objectionable is saying I had trauma, that I had an experience, when in fact I didnt
No great moment, no drums or night terrors, no intense psychological traumas 
Took me years to commit to the faith I follow 
Most Christian’s I know didn’t have the experience either

I am not saying you are dense, with respect, you are ignorant, as I am with Roman Catholic ritual

Sorry mate, I never said you had trauma and apologies for the misunderstanding. Otherwise your echoing what I'm saying.

erhm, I think you are here because of the UFO thread in this video you linked?  So consider that a person is having some kind of experience from the moment the encounter started, not just when divine intervention was asked for. In my reality getting abducted by a UFO is no where near a normal experience, it's crazy actually. Is the experience a hallucination or blurring of the facts and the rest is the natural response from your mind based on ideology? Maybe it's a weapon used against a person?  The abductors takes pity on the human having a mental breakdown and puts you asleep or leaves you alone? 

It sounds silly if I make everything a question, I have to make statements. Don't take my statements personally and you definitely do not have to do anything I say.

[Ray1990]

yeah but nah,
 
your op link is opinion, no authority and I didn’t have your common experience, or anyone else’s 

you don’t know my faith, clearly
I am not sure you are do anything more than creating in your own mind, a faith (Christianity) to suit your own narrative 

I don’t need to do anything you suggest, Jesus already completed everything, I need to rest in the works of Jesus

In Christ, I am already a Priest, in Him, I already have open access to God
I just have to hold my faith and not rely on feelings

Feelings, and that seems to be your message, feelings 

As this relates to UFOs and that thread, no UFO experience either, so no turmoil or scream out moment you infer
Poor me

I suspect Christianity would not encourage anything interrelated with nature-worship so yes, Christianity won't be encouraging anything Sirius is mentioning or linking.

Personally I've seen first hand the link between heightened awareness and spiritual awakenings, I'd say it tastes exactly like psychosis triggered by trauma although I'm not going to call people experiencing these things nuts since it's far too dismissive of their experiences, you know? Feelings?

I mean, why are churches on crossroads? Why the inquisition and the killing of "devil worshippers? The Romans would adopt local god's and faith systems since they often mirrored their own god's and systems they already came across, I only mention that because Christianity also actively absorbed, destroyed and demonised such practices mentioned by the op whilst they built churches upon once sacred ground... Or newly consecrated ground depending who you ask. Does any of that mean anything to you? It doesn't with most modern practicing Christians.

Beyond the basics principles of a follower of Christ their was clearly an understanding of other systems tied in with a desire to see them gone, they knew about this kind of stuff and incorporated strategies to make them irrelevant, doctrine says bad things about them, on the opposite side it could be said I'm saying bad things about Christianity although I can happily switch to other religions because this activity isn't actually based in faith but fear. Muslims fear 'magic' too, god knows what the Aztecs believed, they weren't the first to build where they placed their capital though... Probably down to human nature right?

All that said, there's syncretism within Christianity too, it's not all black and white. I'd suspect that the majority of followers of a religion do not have a 'calling' and their faith is based upon actual faith and not so much experience. From that I can assume other aspects of the individual but I'm not keen on making an ass out of you or me (assuming) and like I said the ones 'called' often tick most if not all the boxes when it comes to psychosis, forms of schizophrenia etc. Probably down to human nature?

I honestly don't know, I'd strongly argue these are discussions that should be had though since "new agey" experiences are being sought after by quite a few, the ones I talk to often show great ignorance to the past and are dismissive of the possibilities regarding psychosis... That's definitely human nature.

[Creaky]

Personally I've seen first hand the link between heightened awareness and spiritual awakenings, I'd say it tastes exactly like psychosis triggered by trauma although I'm not going to call people experiencing these things nuts since it's far too dismissive of their experiences, you know? Feelings?

I mean, why are churches on crossroads? Why the inquisition and the killing of "devil worshippers? The Romans would adopt local god's and faith systems since they often mirrored their own god's and systems they already came across, I only mention that because Christianity also actively absorbed, destroyed and demonised such practices mentioned by the op whilst they built churches upon once sacred ground... Or newly consecrated ground depending who you ask. Does any of that mean anything to you? It doesn't with most modern practicing Christians.

Beyond the basics principles of a follower of Christ their was clearly an understanding of other systems tied in with a desire to see them gone, they knew about this kind of stuff and incorporated strategies to make them irrelevant, doctrine says bad things about them, on the opposite side it could be said I'm saying bad things about Christianity although I can happily switch to other religions because this activity isn't actually based in faith but fear. Muslims fear 'magic' too, god knows what the Aztecs believed, they weren't the first to build where they placed their capital though... Probably down to human nature right?

No argument, no excuse
Jesus taught love, even towards those Christian’s disagreed with
Love is opposite to human nature, that desire is a failing of Christian’s not God
Many failing in the church 

for my conversion, it wasn’t related to trauma or psychosis.
I think the premise of this thread has a fault based on my lived experience

as for feelings, we often misread, misunderstand, confuse or otherwise, from my experience, they can’t be trusted 
I might one day feel like a woman, heaven forbid ?

[Sirius]

I heartly disagree, to live is to love and that is nature. Every moment is precious.

[Ray1990]

No argument, no excuse
Jesus taught love, even towards those Christian’s disagreed with
Love is opposite to human nature, that desire is a failing of Christian’s not God
Many failing in the church 

for my conversion, it wasn’t related to trauma or psychosis.
I think the premise of this thread has a fault based on my lived experience

as for feelings, we often misread, misunderstand, confuse or otherwise, from my experience, they can’t be trusted 
I might one day feel like a woman, heaven forbid ?

I'd argue quite strongly that love is human nature, it's a very distinct emotion amongst humans, when people have an incapacity to feel or express it we'll often diagnose them with a disease of the mind. That said we also say the same when people love "too much" and have emotional dysregulation.

I didn't blame a monolithic God nor would I, I would say it's absolute hubris when people claim to do things on his behalf though, ironically often led by emotions and 'feelings'. I also agree, apparently Jesus taught acceptance so anything done to the contrary is hardly Christian. I have no more right to call a Muslim Takfir than I do a Christian a heretic yet our history is littered with "in god's name" bs.

I honestly think the premise of the thread is difficult to apply to monotheistic faith systems since they've historically demonised any and all activity related to animism, nature worship and paganism. In short placing the utmost importance on the word mono.

But yeah... Nothing really to do with the teachings of Jesus. A lot of people do turn to Christianity and other monotheistic religions due to experiences though, every case will be different. Some people use exorcisms, others use crystals and some even take antipsychotics... Right or wrong is individual too, whatever works I guess.

Some aim to understand and are more than willing to poke the proverbial carcass to see what happens. That's seemingly what this thread is about and it's not like their isn't volumes of work regarding this stuff. More modern writings, although that probably has something to do with the purposeful destruction of anything "not like mine" which is the actions of humans, not God/god's.

Sirius? I appreciate the effort you're putting into these threads, it's a really interesting topic and it's hardly anything new. Links and conclusions that are as old as thought itself? Idk but it's highly interesting.

[Creaky]

I'd argue quite strongly that love is human nature, it's a very distinct emotion amongst humans, when people have an incapacity to feel or express it we'll often diagnose them with a disease of the mind. That said we also say the same when people love "too much" and have emotional dysregulation.

I didn't blame a monolithic God nor would I, I would say it's absolute hubris when people claim to do things on his behalf though, ironically often led by emotions and 'feelings'. I also agree, apparently Jesus taught acceptance so anything done to the contrary is hardly Christian. I have no more right to call a Muslim Takfir than I do a Christian a heretic yet our history is littered with "in god's name" bs.

I honestly think the premise of the thread is difficult to apply to monotheistic faith systems since they've historically demonised any and all activity related to animism, nature worship and paganism. In short placing the utmost importance on the word mono.

But yeah... Nothing really to do with the teachings of Jesus. A lot of people do turn to Christianity and other monotheistic religions due to experiences though, every case will be different. Some people use exorcisms, others use crystals and some even take antipsychotics... Right or wrong is individual too, whatever works I guess.

Some aim to understand and are more than willing to poke the proverbial carcass to see what happens. That's seemingly what this thread is about and it's not like their isn't volumes of work regarding this stuff. More modern writings, although that probably has something to do with the purposeful destruction of anything "not like mine" which is the actions of humans, not God/god's.

Sirius? I appreciate the effort you're putting into these threads, it's a really interesting topic and it's hardly anything new. Links and conclusions that are as old as thought itself? Idk but it's highly interesting.

Love thy enemy is certainly not human nature
Christs main teaching

In Gods name indeed, even though He taught love 
Anyway, that’s a theological argument you can’t explain to a non believer

[Creaky]

erhm, I think you are here because of the UFO thread in this video you linked?  So consider that a person is having some kind of experience from the moment the encounter started, not just when divine intervention was asked for.
In my reality getting abducted by a UFO is no where near a normal experience, it's crazy actually. Is the experience a hallucination or blurring of the facts and the rest is the natural response from your mind based on ideology? Maybe it's a weapon used against a person?  The abductors takes pity on the human having a mental breakdown and puts you asleep or leaves you 

I have read many reports of alien abduction and the claim is instant release upon calling the name Jesus
That was my comment on the other thread
You pointed me here to this thread,
Trauma leading to faith?

Not in my circumstance, many others I know as well
I do know people who have suffered significant trauma and turned to Jesus, over time

On alien abduction, they are real and far to many attest to the experience to be denied, just think it’s demonic
Anyway, this is an interesting thread, worthy of the forum and you put in some solid effort
Don't take it personally if I disagree
As Ray said, you make it interesting