Intense psychological turmoil - and encounters

[Sirius]

Still sounds like psychosis. Dissociative identity psychosis. Like the weird Kevin Spacey movie where some guy who lost his family snaps and believes he's an alien.


It's always interpretation of regional spiritual forms.

And because of this it can be flawed, manipulated, and even triggered.

Conspiracy segue.

What if I said these spiritual awakenings are in the same ballpark of the "causal agency" that created the kid that almost killed Trump? And a known process to instill belief, motivation, and actions. They can be political and people's awakening can lead them to a martyrdom trap, or be exploited.

Those abstract forms can be crafted in a very human way. People can be spiritually awoken by nothing more than shit on the internet, interest in spirituality, or someone in their ear selectively feeding them their "awakening."

Now this is getting into MKULTRA mind control territory. Like ultra low frequencies, dream manipulation, remote viewing, and psychic ability, but this is a conspiracy site, so.

Thanks for this! Ja there is a real dark side to this stuff

As far as conspiracy goes, for sure.  Easy example is these spectacles we see before sporting events that is obviously ritual despite the claims. It meets all requirements for ritualized magic especially the heightened psychological states.  The last Olympics was chock full of emotional triggers all the time. For what end, reprogramming?

Psychosis....yes I think manic episodes or whatever it's called is part of a natural process, the brains response to try and deal with trauma and part of healing and probably explains more encounters than we would like to admit. Am I seeing a spirit that is trying help me because I'm disturbed, or am I seeing a spirit that is helping me because I'm disturbed....  Does it really matter?

 

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The Waumat ritual is another interesting case.  These young men stick their hands into gloves filled with bullet ants and then dance the night away.

Each time, they say, they come out stronger, more prepared for the fight to defend their culture and protect their forest.

Starvation followed by pain?

The young men, before carrying out the rite, follow food taboos. 

“I gain much wisdom from the elders in this ritual. Just as you learn sociology, philosophy, and so on, at school, it’s the same with us. Through this ritual we receive our education,” Benito explained. He added that Waumat not only fosters courage and resistance, but also allows participants to interact in a complex symbolic cultural universe and come out of it transformed.

https://news.mongabay.com/2019/04/stingi...ral-lands/

[Sirius]

Interesting initiation ceremony here from an aboriginal tribe, seems like intense psychological turmoil would be involved along with an entity.  The highlighted bit is suspect and who knows what restrained the author. I tried looking for other sources.

From what I gathered the tribe actually has animal totems and would more likely commune with something like that or whatever is living in Woolshed Creek, they have a pet cryptid and it's probably involved in initiation  
 

One of Australian native is called Kurnai people, has a ritual in which children are prepared to leave their mums. The purpose of this initiation ceremony is to give a sense of being an adult to girls and boys. Because it's known that very hard for children the time when they leave their mother and children are prepared for this ritual psychologically first. Kurnais performs this ceremony in straightforward concept. During the ceremony, the mothers sit behind the candidates. The adults men who are considered as masters of this implementation, make a gap line between mothers and their children and meanwhile, the mother and the candidates try to reach each other by extending their hands. The movement of extending hands each other represents the strength of separation. Later, the candidates open their hands several times to the sky and pray to God. If their prays are accepted by God of heaven then the initiation get complited. Afterwards, candidates are taken to a sacred sanctuary where no one can able to see them. The candidates then lay there on their backs and put their hands crosswise on their chest. They can not hear and see anything outside while they are in this situation. Thereafter, the candidates fall asleep together by singing songs The next day they become an adult member of the tribe. After these ordeals, the Kurnais tribe accepts the candidates as a master member of their tribe. This ritual is crucial for Kurnais in the sense that young men and girls gain self-confidence and become independent individuals. The separation, which started first physically when the children leave their mums and ending with a spiritual separation thus, the ceremony finalised in a proper way (Eliade 1975: 7).
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/art...ile/597889

Official website here and WOW is it amazing! Their creation story starts in "dreaming time".
https://gunaikurnai.org/our-culture/stories/

[Sirius]

Christianity differs from the previous "tribes" mentioned in that they involved everyone making a connection in the tribe.  Here only the chosen or called goes through such a rite, not say there is no other rites in Christianity.  It's the level of devotion that is called into question, flagellants springs to mind. 

Novitiate

The novitiate, also called the noviciate, is the period of training and preparation that a Christian novice (or prospective) monastic, apostolic, or member of a religious order undergoes prior to taking vows in order to discern whether they are called to vowed religious life. It often includes times of intense study, prayer, living in community, studying the vowed life, deepening one's relationship with God, and deepening one's self-awareness. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novitiate

Flagellants
 

A confraternity of penitents in Italy mortifying the flesh with disciplines in a seven-hour procession; capirote are worn by penitents so that attention is not drawn towards themselves, but to God, as they repent.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

[Sirius]

Moving on from initiation and briefly looking at pagan rituals summoning Hecate meets criteria.



Hecate is the Greek goddess of magic, witchcraft, the night, the moon, crossroads and necromancy and pretty much still worshiped as such today.

The ceremony to summon her in itself is not interesting unless made so. What is significant is that she is summoned at a crossroads. Hecate is also a guide to contact other spirits, spirits like deceased family members. Contacting her derives from already being in a charged mental state that gets focused by the rest of the ceremony.

 

Hecate was associated with borders, city walls, doorways, crossroads and, by extension, with realms outside or beyond the world of the living. She appears to have been particularly associated with being 'between' and hence is frequently characterized as a "liminal" goddess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate

[Sirius]

Sundance Ceremonies

It was noted that only the most committed individuals performs this ceremony. 

Right so what have we got here? Channeling a powerful entity, the sun no less.

erected a dance structure with a central pole that symbolized a connection to the divine, as embodied by the sun.

I can dig this.

 did so in fulfillment of a vow or as a way of seeking spiritual power or insight. 

Yikes!

When practiced, self-mortification was generally accomplished through piercing: mentors or ritual leaders inserted two or more slim skewers or piercing needles through a small fold of the supplicant’s skin on the upper chest or upper back; the mentor then used long leather thongs to tie a heavy object such as a buffalo skull to the skewers. A dancer would drag the object along the ground until he succumbed to exhaustion or his skin tore free.

Among some tribes the thongs were tied to the centre pole, and the supplicant either hung from or pulled on them until free.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sun-Dance

[Creaky]

It's easy to ridicule primitives dancing around a fire because your not having the experience.  Just another church scam, weirdo's falling down on the floor having seizures etc.  You get guys that travels all the way to the amazon jungle to trip on DMT with a shaman, you don't have to do that... Just get some mates and drums, make a fire..  It's ancient magic, works all over.

One of the things this leads to is that when someone tells me they called out to Jesus and he saved them, I believe it.

You called him in a moment where you had intense turmoil, you met the conditions physiologically and physically. You summoned an entity and that entity is Jesus and now you are going to have an awakening experience with him.  This is your path now.

What happens when you call something else? Well then you have that awakening experience and follow 

Yeah but
I didn’t have a call out moment
I didn’t have an intense turmoil moment, I didn’t have a DMt/shaman
I didn’t have an experience 
I just asked and made a choice to believe
Still do believe and still havnt had this “experience”, this awakening you infer
Just sheer determination to hold onto faith that seems elusive and to be honest, I understand why the bible calls to Christs followers to have faith
Mostly Christian faith lacks what you indicate as the reason

[Creaky]

Christianity differs from the previous "tribes" mentioned in that they involved everyone making a connection in the tribe.  Here only the chosen or called goes through such a rite, not say there is no other rites in Christianity.  It's the level of devotion that is called into question, flagellants springs to mind. 

yes, everyone should be a part of the “community” re Christianity, for help and support
But are not all chosen, or called according to Christian teaching? 
it’s an individuals choice to follow Jesus or not
And what is this rite, baptism? 
And with the teaching of God being to love, what evidence is devotion you call as questionable and who questions it?

Flagelants are a very tiny offshoot with no biblical principle

[Sirius]

Yeah but
I didn’t have a call out moment
I didn’t have an intense turmoil moment
I didn’t have an experience 
I just asked and made a choice to believe
Still do and still havnt had this “experience”, this awakening you infer
Just sheer determination to hold onto faith that seems elusive and to be honest, I understand why the bible calls to Christs followers to have faith in spite of the evidence

Not sure I'm understanding?

"this awakening you infer" I don't infer anything, there is links in the OP and also a pretty common experience and I also have it.

This thread shouldn't take away your faith or belief and I'm not attacking anything, trying to do the opposite. 

"Just sheer determination to hold onto faith that seems elusive" Within Christianity there is certain rights or penitents you can perform if you want to "strengthen" your faith, go try it.  Speak to priest. You can fast, or do re-enactment whatever....I don't really know much speak to someone from your faith.

You need to do it with 100% devotion, you need to mentally and physically push yourself and then magical things happen. Like you can't just skip one meal and say you fasted.

[Creaky]

Not sure I'm understanding?

"this awakening you infer" I don't infer anything, there is links in the OP and also a pretty common experience and I also have it.

This thread shouldn't take away your faith or belief and I'm not attacking anything, trying to do the opposite. 

"Just sheer determination to hold onto faith that seems elusive" Within Christianity there is certain rights or penitents you can perform if you want to "strengthen" your faith, go try it.  Speak to priest. You can fast, or do re-enactment whatever....I don't really know much speak to someone from your faith.

You need to do it with 100% devotion, you need to mentally and physically push yourself and then magical things happen. Like you can't just skip one meal and say you fasted.

yeah but nah,
 
your op link is opinion, no authority and I didn’t have your common experience, or anyone else’s 

you don’t know my faith, clearly
I am not sure you are do anything more than creating in your own mind, a faith (Christianity) to suit your own narrative 

I don’t need to do anything you suggest, Jesus already completed everything, I need to rest in the works of Jesus

In Christ, I am already a Priest, in Him, I already have open access to God
I just have to hold my faith and not rely on feelings

Feelings, and that seems to be your message, feelings 

As this relates to UFOs and that thread, no UFO experience either, so no turmoil or scream out moment you infer
Poor me

[Sirius]

yes, everyone should be a part of the “community” re Christianity, for help and support
But are not all chosen, or called according to Christian teaching? 
it’s an individuals choice to follow Jesus or not
And what is this rite, baptism? 
And with the teaching of God being to love, what evidence is devotion you call as questionable and who questions it?

Flagelants are a very tiny offshoot with no biblical principle

Yeah so it's just an observation. I mentioned this at the start "Christianity differs from the previous "tribes" mentioned in that they involved everyone making a connection in the tribe"

You have to go become a novitiate or flagelants that is a tiny offshoot to learn things that is common in other religions.  Maybe devotion is the wrong word, so help me. Why do some people literally see angles and saints and miracles performed and others don't and why do the go to lengths to commune?