I support abortion because I don't think rapists should be allowed to be fathers

[PorkChop96]

The children or rape should come forward to donate their DNA to find the rapist and have him convicted and sent to prison.

Would there not be a need to already have the DNA of the father to get a match for this to be viable? If there was never a case brought about to collect that DNA, not sure how you would go about getting it and making a claim for rape, let alone a conviction. Not saying that there has to be a case opened for there to have been a rape, but if you want a conviction ,that is the only way they could do it.

If they do not go about it that way, I could see a lot of guys being convicted of rape and thrown in jail just because their baby mama is mad at them for something and claiming rape, when that was not the case.


Let me be clear here, I am not saying this is not a good idea, I am just asking a question about the process.

[quintessentone]

Would there not be a need to already have the DNA of the father to get a match for this to be viable? If there was never a case brought about to collect that DNA, not sure how you would go about getting it and making a claim for rape, let alone a conviction. Not saying that there has to be a case opened for there to have been a rape, but if you want a conviction ,that is the only way they could do it.

If they do not go about it that way, I could see a lot of guys being convicted of rape and thrown in jail just because their baby mama is mad at them for something and claiming rape, when that was not the case.


Let me be clear here, I am not saying this is not a good idea, I am just asking a question about the process.

Usually rape involves extreme violence towards the woman, so girls and women need to get over the shame or fall into the blaming themselves game and go directly to a hospital and get a rape test done where all injuries and the DNA of the rapist can be collected, then the police should be called immediately for actioning these types of horrific crimes. It should be easier these days what with surveillance almost everywhere and pinging cellphones to place people at the scene of the crime. 

In the link I posted, the women went directly to the police station to report a rape and they laughed at her.

Girls and women are being educated on how to properly deal with this type of violence against them. It's not like it use to be, thank goodness.

[Stealth Blimp]

Not being female abortion isn't something I've given a lot thought to but I'm definitely going to read Judith Jarvis Thomson's 1971 essay, "A Defense of Abortion,". This essay argues for abortion's permissibility even if a fetus is a person, primarily through the famous "Violinist Analogy," suggesting a right to life doesn't grant a right to use someone else's body, thereby championing bodily autonomy over forced gestation, and remains highly influential.

[Stealth Blimp]

 wasn't going to bother with you but since you invoked my name ....

I'm not 'mouth foaming'.
And I"m VERY logical.
I did not say that people who commit abortion should be in jail.
Never once.
I said what they do is stop a human heart from beating.
And that's TRUE.
Doing that is called HOMICIDE.
And the fact that a mother does that to her own child is EVIL.
That's not 'mouth foaming'.    That's the truth.

Well I'm never getting into an abortion debate again but I hope you never read anything by the utilitarian philosopher Peter Singer, particularly - Should the Baby Live?: The Problem of Handicapped Infants

[ANNEE]

So not having sex and/or having protected sex is now an "ideology", not proven logic? 

I was on the pill.

Had an emotional "last hoorah" with the husband I was divorcing because he was jealous of his own children.

You truly believe all unwanted pregnancies are because of lack of birth control?

[Stealth Blimp]

Why do you think a child of rape, when grown, would want to seek out a rapist biological father? Is this a fear of yours for some reason?

Why Children Born Of Rape Need Victim Status

The children or rape should come forward to donate their DNA to find the rapist and have him convicted and sent to prison.

There is always the chance they could forgive. 

Also most studies I've seen tend to agree that the rapist is usually already known to the woman and often in her social cricle.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43128350

Sex attack victims usually know attacker, says new study

More than 90% of rape and sexual assault victims know their attacker, a new study of almost 1,000 victims says.

Just 9% of perpetrators were strangers to the victim 
23% of women were assaulted by a partner or ex-partner 
24% were assaulted a family member 
44% were assaulted by "another known person" 
32% were reported to the police more than two years after the incident 
More than 20% of the women took more than 10 years to report their ordeal to the police 22% had not reported their assaults to the police at all.

[Good Bacteria]

When the thread gets this long, coming in late on page 32 really makes you consider just how committed you are to this topic. 

Yeah... I'm not that committed, lol. 

Abortion used for birth control is abysmally abhorrent. Those that applause and celebrate the act are pieces of shit.

That should do it. Thx.

[Good Bacteria]

Not being female abortion isn't something I've given a lot thought to but I'm definitely going to read Judith Jarvis Thomson's 1971 essay, "A Defense of Abortion,". This essay argues for abortion's permissibility even if a fetus is a person, primarily through the famous "Violinist Analogy," suggesting a right to life doesn't grant a right to use someone else's body, thereby championing bodily autonomy over forced gestation, and remains highly influential.

This is what happens when you have nowhere to put insane people.

[quintessentone]

There is always the chance they could forgive. 

Also most studies I've seen tend to agree that the rapist is usually already known to the woman and often in her social cricle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43128350
Sex attack victims usually know attacker, says new study
More than 90% of rape and sexual assault victims know their attacker, a new study of almost 1,000 victims says.
Just 9% of perpetrators were strangers to the victim 23% of women were assaulted by a partner or ex-partner 24% were assaulted a family member 44% were assaulted by "another known person" 32% were reported to the police more than two years after the incident More than 20% of the women took more than 10 years to report their ordeal to the police 22% had not reported their assaults to the police at all.

Rapists don't stop at one victim so girls and women need to start coming forward and police need to start doing their jobs properly. The rapist's rights are not at question here, what is at question for me here is getting criminals like rapists put in prison where they belong.

As for people forgiving their mother's rapist, even Jesus overturned the money changer's table and did not forgive. The punishment should fit the crime.

[Stealth Blimp]

This is what happens when you have nowhere to put insane people.

Judith Jarvis Thomson was an American philosopher. Just because you don't agree with her position on abortion doesn't mean she was insane.