Has Ukraine collapsed

[sahgwa]

that's all old news. More recently Trump has said:

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Sounds like Typical Trump bloviating/blowing whichever way the wind pays out more.  Too much flip flopping with Trump 2.  See my previous posts in other threads on this topic.

[Creaky]

Seems like a bit of a personal attack, and rather presumptuous, to tell people what they will or won't believe.

Never mind, rather convenient. 

Sorry, but i dont do FB could you post the pertinent info that backs your claim? 

I would like to see what it says.

And is that an anti-Semitic aspect i detect with the nonsensical "modern day Jews" comment? 

Hope not.

I don’t care what you think, either you learn or don’t, it’s on you
I don’t care, the information is out there 
believe or dont
I still don’t care 
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1217312980...&fs=e&fs=e

Drain the swamp but you are still supporting the swamp
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[andy06shake]

I don’t care what you think, either you learn or don’t, it’s on you
I don’t care, the information is out there 
believe or dont
I still don’t care 
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1217312980...&fs=e&fs=e

Drain the swamp but you are still supporting the swamp
New thread idea

So that's a no then?

I'm shocked(not).  

I don't care, that you dont care, so...

But if you could simply post the relevant information that's not connected to FB, that might be helpful.

After all, we are not here to do your homework, and you are responsible for providing credible evidence to support the claims you make.

That's just how the burden of proof works. 

I don't think FB post cuts that mustard. 

What's next, "Twitter?" 

[Creaky]

So that's a no then?

I'm shocked(not).  

I don't care, that you dont care, so...

But if you could simply post the relevant information that's not connected to FB, that might be helpful.

After all, we are not here to do your homework, and you are responsible for providing credible evidence to support the claims you make.

That's just how the burden of proof works. 

I don't think FB post cut that mustard. 

What's next, "Twitter?" 

Don’t care, believe as you wish, wipes feet, walks away

[andy06shake]

Don’t care, believe as you wish, wipes feet, walks away

Yeah, in disgrace that is.

Because you refuse to provide relevant, credible information to back the claims you made. 

Again, how very convenient.  

Anyhoo, if FB told you so, it must be true. 

[Kurokage]

Do you really think I am smart enough to work this out?
I have read, watched and studied
you, hi ho, it’s off to war we go, jingle with a Biden Obama painted US flag
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1217312980...&fs=e&fs=e

From someone who then links to FaceBook 

​​​​​​​I don't do Facebook, it's for the lemmings, as you've clearly shown!!!!

[Kurokage]

Supposedly it’s about Russia has no business invading the Ukraine and supposedly righting that wrong.  And not appeasing Putin.  But Putin has got appeasement.  

On the onset of the invasion.  The west / Europe could have been very clear by immediately ceasing from buying energy from Russia.  Told Putin to get out.  Placed immediate heavy sanctions on Russia.  Making it very clear NATO is grouped together to stop Russian expansion.  Where many countries supposedly claimed they had the Ukraine’s back if they gave up their nukes. So “allies” with no real integrity.  Where any violation of sanctions would result in military seizures.  Where if nukes were used, that would result in NATO taking immediate air superiority over Russia and force a no fly zone.

But the west / Europe kept buying energy from Russia.  Pursued this weird funding lead by the US making corruption and grafting easy.  Where arms dealers have an increased market year after year.  While people in the Ukraine keep leaving and dying.  Where I think many seem to claim they would risk WW 3 to defend their country.  But those same people don’t want the west / NATO to take a strong stand with Ukraine to put real teeth in negotiations with Russia so the Ukraine can keep what it still has.  And stop Putin making threats that throws people in appeasement.

The Ukraine is in this situation because Putin thought he saw consternation and the west pursued policies of easy money and cheap energy. And now the world is more or less appeasing Russia while they find bad actors willing to buy their energy.    Because Putin called the west’s bluff on protecting the Ukraine if the Ukrainian gave up nukes.  And banked on the west wringing its hands into being bitches.

No one in the west is appeasing Ukraine except for Trump!!
I agree some E.U. countries were dependant on Russian gas and took to long to wean themselves off it, which helped Russia. But that's changed and countries supplying Russia are also raising prices for their goods, this is all having a lasting effect on Russian banks. I also don't see Russian gas coming back into Europe once this is all over.

As for supporting Ukraine, there's no easy way to allow European or American forces to assist without looking like that was the goal all along (members like Creaky already think this). In my opinion unless there's a sudden escalation, things aren't going to change.

[Creaky]

As for supporting Ukraine, there's no easy way to allow European or American forces to assist without looking like that was the goal all along (members like Creaky already think this). In my opinion unless there's a sudden escalation, things aren't going to change.

Ukraine has already been sold off to Blackrock by Zelensky
It’s a done deal, arms, food minerals and rebuilding
Why do you think Ukraine won’t surrender, it’s a business decision 
The US (Blackrock) is so deep it can’t afford to lose

[Creaky]

[Kurokage]

[Video: https://youtu.be/LD6kvDHbIYY?si=DjrCkmIqi6uSvV7_]

Ukraine has already been sold off to Blackrock by Zelensky
It’s a done deal, arms, food minerals and rebuilding
Why do you think Ukraine won’t surrender, it’s a business decision 
The US (Blackrock) is so deep it can’t afford to lose

So, posting videos from JFK jnr is any better than the facebook drivel you post? The guys a total nut job.  

You make claims you know the truth more than anyone else here. If this is were you get all your info from, you're welcome to it!!