Greenland USA

[SomeStupidName]

What's the difference between my criticism of Trump and your criticism of the evil left

Is it just Trump you are upset with or life in general? I don't recall you enjoying the years in between Trump either. I think you have good intentions and I don't think you lean to far into any particular political direction I could be wrong but when I read your complaints it just seem you hold humanity to some standard that they are clearly never going to live up too. idk I just hope you aren't lost in a pointless depression over some old fart who isn't going to mean anything in few years.

[SomeStupidName]

I don't 

I couldn't care less what your opinion is

Why would you care about mine

I'm interested, you don't come off as a loon. I'm not close minded either so if you got something realistic to say I'll listen can't guarantee I would agree but you never know.

[Solvedit]

I guess I'm confused on the policing of Greenland. You keep pointing to the point of forced sterilizations. But we did that as well. Hell, we forcefully took Indian kids and put them in catholic boarding schools well into the 70's to try and teach the Indian out of them. Does Greenland have higher crime than our indigenous communities?

89% of the Greenland population is indigenous.  

The rest run mainly on fishing as an economic prime mover and still have to be heavily subsidized by the Danish government.  

The US did not have that issue on a large scale but maybe some beleaguered rural communities were a microcosm of what happened in Greenland: tradition, an attachment to the land of one's colonialist ancestors, a desire of a community to manage its own affairs, and too-small budgets?  In the wealthy USA, they could have asked the state or the feds for help, though, but they may have viewed the changes it would bring as undesirable.  Greenland, however, would probably have had to ask foreign investors for help.

In the case of Greenland it suggests the Danes are running the place on a shoestring and aren't really spending the money required to keep it secure from outside threats. 

They claim they are open to outside investment but perhaps their rules preclude providing enough security to far-flung oil or mineral interests?  If it's such a goldmine, why isn't anyone taking them up on it?  Consider reviewing posts #785, 786, and 789 of this thread.

Trump claimed NATO had been telling Denmark it had to step up military protection of Greenland for 20 years.  Recent events seem to agree that they weren't protecting it enough.

[quintessentone]

89% of the Greenland population is indigenous.  

The rest run mainly on fishing as an economic prime mover and still have to be heavily subsidized by the Danish government.  

The US did not have that issue.

In the case of Greenland it suggests the Danes are running the place on a shoestring and aren't really spending the money required to keep it secure from outside threats. 

They claim they are open to outside investment but perhaps their rules preclude providing enough security to far-flung oil or mineral interests?  If it's such a goldmine, why isn't anyone taking them up on it? 

Trump claimed NATO had been telling Denmark it had to step up military protection of Greenland for 20 years.  Recent events seem to agree that they weren't protecting it enough.

It appears to me by looking at the map below that Greenland is nicely surrounded on all sides by other countries who have the capability of protecting their own waters, thereby protecting Greenland too. I believe I read where China has bases within Russia so I suppose we can include China and Russia as one potential threat. But I don't think Russia can spread itself that thin what with the war in Ukraine and China is more focused on becoming the #1 economy of the world, and not making waves.

[Solvedit]

It appears to me by looking at the map below that Greenland is nicely surrounded on all sides by other countries who have the capability of protecting their own waters, thereby protecting Greenland too. I believe I read where China has bases within Russia so I suppose we can include China and Russia as one potential threat. But I don't think Russia can spread itself that thin what with the war in Ukraine and China is more focused on becoming the #1 economy of the world, and not making waves.

Then why did Denmark's top general in the Arctic recently say he was concerned about Russia and not the US?  Why wasn't he concerned about the US?  Can it be he knows darn well Trump had a point when he said he wanted to acquire Greenland because of security?  And perhaps if Denmark and NATO finally did something, Trump's offer would go away? 

Why had NATO been telling Denmark they ought to step up Greenland's security for 20 years?

Why did NATO members send all those representatives to Greenland recently, not to stop the US but to evaluate the situation WRT Russia and China?

[Solvedit]

Dont villainize them maybe? 

I am actually coloring them a little less than economically capable of managing the place.

[quintessentone]

Then why did Denmark's top general in the Arctic recently say he was concerned about Russia and not the US?  Why wasn't he concerned about the US?  Can it be he knows darn well Trump had a point when he said he wanted to acquire Greenland because of security?  And perhaps if Denmark and NATO finally did something, Trump's offer would go away? 

Why had NATO been telling Denmark they ought to step up Greenland's security for 20 years?

Why did NATO members send all those representatives to Greenland recently, not to stop the US but to evaluate the situation WRT Russia and China?

Do you see that white spot (blind spot) on the map I posted, well it appears Russia and China want to secure it as their territories. It does appear it is up for grabs, does it not?

[Solvedit]

Do you see that white spot (blind spot) on the map I posted, well it appears Russia and China want to secure it as their territories. It does appear it is up for grabs, does it not?

You're wasting thread space.  The point stands.  Your map doesn't trump (with a lowercase t) what my quoted post says: NATO and Denmark's top general in the Arctic seem to think more security WRT Russia is warranted.  Do you think the US should pay for posting carrier groups around Greenland to make up for the Danes' laxity?

[quintessentone]

You're wasting thread space.  The point stands.  Your map doesn't trump (with a lowercase t) what my quoted post says: NATO and Denmark's top general in the Arctic seem to think more security WRT Russia is warranted.  Do you think the US should pay for posting carrier groups around Greenland to make up for the Danes' laxity?

My point stands and they've been repeating those same talking points for a very long time, there is nothing new here.

[Solvedit]

My point stands and they've been repeating those same talking points for a very long time, there is nothing new here.

Of course there's something new here.    They finally did something and Trump changed his stance on Greenland.  They're finally addressing the issue.