Greenland USA

[WallFlowerActive]

The issue with Venezuela was how fighting narcoterrorism was used as the cover for taking oil

[Video: https://youtu.be/IF-IYdsFGrw?si=XoAoXo3X31Kh1j3Z]

The US produces about 22 million barrels of oil a day.  Venezuela through neglect can barely produce and ship 1 million barrels a day.  Is more like 800,000.  What Venezuela territory do we occupy to get oil from.

[Solvedit]

The issue with Venezuela was how fighting narcoterrorism was used as the cover for taking oil

Should Cuba be allowed to manipulate a nation's oil by tampering in their elections?  Besides, now Venezuela will be able to sell their oil on the open market and maybe conditions for their people will improve.

[Sky727]

No tariffs needed as a deal seems to have been made on Greenland. Stock market up and seems to be happy. 

[cherokeetroy]

Should Cuba be allowed to manipulate a nation's oil by tampering in their elections?  Besides, now Venezuela will be able to sell their oil on the open market and maybe conditions for their people will improve.

Point being that the goal to control Venezuela oil was initiated under the false pretense of fighting drug trafficking 

A lot of people parroted that argument 

Just as forced sterilization/genocide became a talking point in the push to take Greenland 

[DBCowboy]

51st state!

I guess Canada will have to settle for 52nd state.

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[Harte]

Is this the Art of the Bluff

Talk tough then completely back down?

Problem is, when the world catches onto your game, it ceases to be an effective strategy

Agreed.
But the virtue signaling won't let them catch onto his game.

Harte

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Now watch the arguments shift from:

"We have to own Greenland because Genocide"

To:

"Another masterful round of 5D chess. Checkmate!"

No... Dont you see?  They always knew it was just a ploy and went along with what he said to be a team player.

Although to the credit of posters here, many said it would never happen and was posturing.

And its a results based world. 

The Framework: 

• Land for Bases/Sovereignty: A core element appears to be the potential transfer of sovereignty over specific U.S. military base areas, such as Pituffik Space Base, from Denmark to the U.S., a model similar to British bases in Cyprus.
  
• Arctic Security: The framework involves deeper U.S.-NATO collaboration on Arctic defense, addressing U.S. concerns about Russia and China in the region.
  
• Golden Dome Missile Defense: Further discussions will focus on integrating European nations and Greenland into the U.S.'s Golden Dome missile defense program.
  
• Mineral Rights: The deal also includes U.S. and European partnership in extracting Greenland's valuable mineral resources.
  
• Tariff Cancellation: In exchange for this framework, Trump agreed to cancel planned tariffs on goods from Denmark and other European allies.
  

Even when the results are pretty much what NATO was saying and offering all along, Trump is still the master-debating negotiator that Unofficial State Media can glorify as some kind of Brilliant leader.  

Does any part of that seem different then what was being offered initially?

Fine details and percentages?
Sovereignty over bases?
Whats the difference? 

Reads like NATO general backed him down.. Not like we ever needed land sovereignty for our bases anywhere before.

[WallFlowerActive]

The issue with Venezuela was how fighting narcoterrorism was used as the cover for taking oil

[Video: https://youtu.be/IF-IYdsFGrw?si=XoAoXo3X31Kh1j3Z]

You said for taking oil.  How much of the oil did the US take today?

[Harte]

 But my guess is their turmoil will come when we least expect it. I don't know if you remember Iraq, but it looked like a decisive victory for some time before it became a decades long thorn in our side. 

What happened in Iraq (and elsewhere) is exactly why the regime is still in place in Venezuela.
It's not regime change and it's not nation-building.
It's forcing the regime to see the consequences of not honoring Venezuelan elections.

The entire Iraqi government was cut out. Same sort of thing in a few other places in the Middle East.
New ones installed.
You had people in charge that were new to the game. Suddenly rich and powerful.

Harte

[Harte]

Does anyone know the specs of this new framework?

How much has it expanded on the agreement already in place that allowed the US to build as many bases as they'd want to strengthen security of Artic region

US also already had access for industrial mining

Trump said repeatedly he wanted to own Denmark and make it part of the US

We'll see if this "new" deal lives up to his initial demands

If you ask me, and I don't know why you would, the entire thing is about keeping the mineral resources of Greenland out of the hands of the Chinese.
It's expensive and difficult to mine in Greenland, and extracting things like rare earth minerals is dirty and toxic. Probably not gonna happen for a long time, and maybe not in Greenland or in the US.
Maybe we can set up processing hubs in Venezuela. lol

Harte