Gerrymander based on ideology instead of race

[ReturnofBroccoli]

That was my point about giving sovereignty over all law to the Constitution, which has very poor definitions of terms and is even self-contradictory.

Due process is not defined entirely in US legislature, a lot is assumed from pre-existing laws, codes and statutes.

The basis of the US Legal system is Common Law codified in British courts, which in turn is based upon extension to the Magna Carta, which are particular enactments formed around the last 5 of the 10 Commandments (which are preceded by the Noahide covenant laws) and the Code of Hammurabi.

As such, the US Constitution cannot claim supremacy to its founding laws, but it is only part of a larger legal framework with specifics defined for the country of the USA.

The US Constitution has no supremacy outside of the nation of the USA, neither does US Statute, nor US caselaw.

Can you give a few examples of constitutional contradictions?

[chr0naut]

Can you give a few examples of constitutional contradictions?

Off the top of my head;

- equality vs slavery
- inclusion vs exclusion
- a dodgy amendment process.

But there are several other, more subtle, contradictions usually to do with conflicting interpretations because the language is vague, has poor and confusing tenses, and omits pertinent details.

Some of these are probably because the framers and signatories were assuming a lot of things that they did not truly know or understand.

America's Constitutional Contradictions · University of Wisconsin

America's Constitutional Contradictions - American University Law Review

'Our original Constitution was both brilliant and highly flawed' - Harvard Law School

Top 21 Constitutional Mishaps • U.S. Constitution

Errors in the Constitution—Typographical and Congressional

And, the most concerning one at this particular moment:

Gödel's Loophole - Wikipedia

[chr0naut]

The US is not a party to any international law agreement.

Harte

Hundreds:

International Law, Treaties, and Agreements - US Department of State

List of the United States treaties - Wikipedia

United States Treaties and Other International Agreements (U.S.T.) - Library of Congress

[quintessentone]

The Supreme Court has made that slightly less likely, depending how much redistricting in southern states gets finalized.

They're trying to pull Orban shit to hold the trifecta (IMO), but I dont think they have even 30.  With a sub 40% approval in can go up even more seats  That's average, but it will be ridiculously close for what his ratings say the midterm results should be...

That it's even an unknown is the off part. His ratings may only be going one way, but i don't doubt anything miraculously working out for him from any disadvantage.

My conspiracy theory senses are tingling since I read Trump is sending 5,000 more troops to Poland. With rumors of Russia planning invasion excursions to neighboring NATO countries, will all these war "excursions" soon be labelled as WWIII and thereby all US midterm elections will be withheld in November (planned all along?)?

Is there a reason for Trump's actions or are they just willy nilly 'on the fly' preemptive knee jerk moves?

Trump needs to be removed, at least Vance remains skeptical about the US's part in the Israel-Iran war.

[govshill2]

Hey, whatever, progressives don't control progress anymore, its all currently being burned at a massive Project 2025 rally with everything else we've tried since 1970...  kinda like the concept of a mandala, so really we have no choice but to let go of the intricate work we all created and learn to get corrected on our former progressive opinions by an absolute truth of our morality..

Kinda like a break up with the America you loved, on an anniversary, where you mostly delude yourself it can still be saved until the end.

Only you get kidnapped by a cult instead... 

[Video: https://youtu.be/DcHKOC64KnE?si=VcRONTPxjvCs__6U]

 If you believe it in your head.

What is "Project 2025" ?

[govshill2]

That was my point about giving sovereignty over all law to the Constitution, which has very poor definitions of terms and is even self-contradictory.

Due process is not actually defined entirely in US legislature, a lot is assumed from pre-existing laws, codes and statutes (such as British Common Law).

Did you know, for instance, that in the USA, its citizens are not 'explicitly in statute' granted presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law (that is why the police are supposed to recite your Miranda rights, as explanation that anything you say can be used in a case against you - that isn't a condition of presumption of innocence, it is presumption of guilt and self-incrimination).

The basis of the US Legal system is Common Law codified in British courts, which in turn is based upon extension to the Magna Carta, which are particular enactments formed around the last 5 of the 10 Commandments (which are preceded by the Noahide covenant laws) and the Code of Hammurabi.

As such, the US Constitution cannot claim supremacy to its founding laws, but it is only part of a larger legal framework with specifics defined for the country of the USA.

The US Constitution has no supremacy outside of the nation of the USA, neither does US Statute, nor US caselaw.

These things are important because if anyone can infer whatever they want, as if it were real law (such as the "Sovereign Citizens" do), it means that the real law becomes irrelevant to those people and those they may persuade out of ignorance. And soon you have people killing each other over "invading their sovereign domain", when it was just someone walking their dog or the mailman delivering mail (yeah there are fruitcakes like that, and the 2nd Amendment gives them access to firearms).

Presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

It has been upheld through Supreme Court decisions such as Coffin v. United States (1895) and Taylor v. Kentucky (1978).

The principle is reinforced by other constitutional protections, including the Sixth Amendment rights to counsel, a speedy trial, and cross-examination, which collectively ensure that the trial begins with the assumption that the defendant is innocent.

[Harte]

That was my point about giving sovereignty over all law to the Constitution, which has very poor definitions of terms and is even self-contradictory.

Due process is not actually defined entirely in US legislature, a lot is assumed from pre-existing laws, codes and statutes (such as British Common Law).

Did you know, for instance, that in the USA, its citizens are not 'explicitly in statute' granted presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law (that is why the police are supposed to recite your Miranda rights, as explanation that anything you say can be used in a case against you - that isn't a condition of presumption of innocence, it is presumption of guilt and self-incrimination).

The basis of the US Legal system is Common Law codified in British courts, which in turn is based upon extension to the Magna Carta, which are particular enactments formed around the last 5 of the 10 Commandments (which are preceded by the Noahide covenant laws) and the Code of Hammurabi.

As such, the US Constitution cannot claim supremacy to its founding laws, but it is only part of a larger legal framework with specifics defined for the country of the USA.

The US Constitution has no supremacy outside of the nation of the USA, neither does US Statute, nor US caselaw.

These things are important because if anyone can infer whatever they want, as if it were real law (such as the "Sovereign Citizens" do), it means that the real law becomes irrelevant to those people and those they may persuade out of ignorance. And soon you have people killing each other over "invading their sovereign domain", when it was just someone walking their dog or the mailman delivering mail (yeah there are fruitcakes like that, and the 2nd Amendment gives them access to firearms).

"Due process" is a concept.
The legislature determines what the process is.
It is "due" because the legislature has decided that is the process that's due.
The legislature made that determination, and due process has been followed by the Feds and by state and local officials - with some exceptions, which result in cases being overturned.

Harte

[Harte]

Presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

It has been upheld through Supreme Court decisions such as Coffin v. United States (1895) and Taylor v. Kentucky (1978).

The principle is reinforced by other constitutional protections, including the Sixth Amendment rights to counsel, a speedy trial, and cross-examination, which collectively ensure that the trial begins with the assumption that the defendant is innocent.

Assumption of innocence is not due process, it is a right.
Due process for illegal aliens differs from due process for citizens, by the law I cited which came into existence under the Clinton administration.
Any alien in the US that can't prove (to the satisfaction of the investigating officers) legal residency in the US can be detained until their status in this country can be determined.
I should say here that this is also true for any citizen, if that citizen's action results in "reasonable suspicion" by the judgement of the investigating officers.

Any illegal that can't prove (to the satisfaction of the investigating officers) that they have been in this country for more than two years can be deported the same day by DHS without any hearing at all.

Any illegal alien with a standing order for deportation (which is the large majority of illegal aliens in this country) can be taken and deported at any time, regardless of any pending immigration (or judicial) court action.

Congress, which has the authority to determine what process is due, has made this determination.

Harte

[Harte]

Hundreds:

International Law, Treaties, and Agreements - US Department of State

List of the United States treaties - Wikipedia

United States Treaties and Other International Agreements (U.S.T.) - Library of Congress

A list of treaties, eh?
Where's the treaty with another country that says we can't blow drug runners out of the Gulf of America?
Where's the treaty saying we can't seize "shadow fleet" oil tankers ?

What international law that the US is party to says we can't interdict oil going to Cuba via the shadow fleet smugglers?

Was it a violation of international law when Cuba shot up that speedboat out of Florida in February? When they shot down two Brothers to the Rescue planes in 1996?

Harte

[chr0naut]

Presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

Neither of which define or mention presumption of innocence. It is assumed by interpreters, but it isn't actually there.

It has been upheld through Supreme Court decisions such as Coffin v. United States (1895) and Taylor v. Kentucky (1978).

Caselaw, not statute, and those cases were 107 years, and 190 years, too late.

The principle is reinforced by other constitutional protections, including the Sixth Amendment rights to counsel, a speedy trial, and cross-examination, which collectively ensure that the trial begins with the assumption that the defendant is innocent.

They are assumed to encompass it, but the exact wording that defines presumption of innocence is not present in US statute, hence the requirement for the Miranda warning.