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Gaza ceasefire deal to begin on Sunday - ‘permanent end to war’
#51
(10-30-2025, 08:54 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Since Israel has the support of the largest military in the world, it's whatever they define as peace.

Realistically.


Which is oppressor/occupier forced peace, which will never last as evidenced from history.
"The only journey is the one within."
#52
(10-30-2025, 08:55 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Which is oppressor/occupier forced peace, which will never last as evidenced from history.

That is laugh-out-loud funny. War has caused quite a few conquered peoples to become permanently peaceful, if you know what I mean.

But I'll let you in on a little secret: they don't want a stable peace. It's really preferable not to just kill them all. Creating jihadist with a grudge, and pushing them into Egypt, Jordan, Syria—that's part of the plan. Give it five, ten, fifteen years, it will create another "threat" that must be pacified. Oh no! What choice, but to move in and solve yet another problem? Wink wink.
#53
(10-30-2025, 09:04 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: That is laugh-out-loud funny. War has caused quite a few conquered peoples to become permanently peaceful, if you know what I mean.

But I'll let you in on a little secret: they don't want a stable peace. Creating all these jihadist with a grudge, and pushing them into Egypt, Jordan, Syria—that's part of the plan. Give it five, ten, fifteen years, it will create another "threat" that must be pacified. Oh no! What choice, but to move in and solve yet another problem? Wink wink.

This war is not like other wars. These peoples are not like other peoples. It is their land not Israel's or the U.S.'s or the U.K.'s land to do with what they please.

They desperately want a stable peace on their terms and for the occupiers to get out, and get out permanently.
"The only journey is the one within."
#54
(10-30-2025, 08:16 AM)quintessentone Wrote: The inhabitants did not blow it up, the oppressors/occupiers did ...
Wrong as usual.
The Palestinians caused their own situation.
They weren't occupied nor oppressed when they attacked Israel.

They tried to take over Egypt and failed.
They tried to take over Jordan and failed.
They tried to take over Israel and failed.
They produce nothing except terrorism ...
... and expect the world to support them with endless free money.
Useless eaters.
Worse than useless.   
Parasitic destructive eaters.
#55
(10-30-2025, 09:35 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: They weren't occupied nor oppressed when they attacked Israel.

Eh, there was the naval blockade, restriction on entry/egress, and the matter with the settlers. But whatever.

It doesn't mean that history is going to magically give them what they want.

Nor does it matter if they're savages or saints.

You really don't need to hate so much.

It makes you weak.
#56
(10-30-2025, 09:47 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Eh, there was the naval blockade, restriction on entry/egress, and the matter with the settlers. But whatever.

It doesn't mean that history is going to magically give them what they want.

Nor does it matter if they're savages or saints.

You really don't need to hate so much.

It makes you weak.
The naval blockade and restriction on entry/egress was their own fault.
They can't be trusted.   They've proven it time and time again.
Their sole purpose in life is to destroy Israel and genocide the Jews.
Oh, and It's not 'hate' to state the truth.   
What is weak is to buy the rhetoric that the 'palestinians' are victims.
They are not.   What you see is consequences of their own choices.

At any rate .. our tax money should not be spent on Trumps plan to rebuild Gaza.
The people there will just screw up and blow the place apart again.
It's ingrained in them to do so.   They've proven it time and time again.
#57
(10-30-2025, 10:01 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The naval blockade and restriction on entry/egress was their own fault.
They can't be trusted.   They've proven it time and time again.
Their sole purpose in life is to destroy Israel and genocide the Jews.
Oh, and It's not 'hate' to state the truth.   
What is weak is to buy the rhetoric that the 'palestinians' are victims.
They are not.   What you see is consequences of their own choices.

At any rate .. our tax money should not be spent on Trumps plan to rebuild Gaza.
The people there will just screw up and blow the place apart again.
It's ingrained in them to do so.   They've proven it time and time again.

Wrong or right depends on the biased lens in which we look through.
"The only journey is the one within."
#58
(10-30-2025, 09:08 AM)quintessentone Wrote: This war is not like other wars. These peoples are not like other peoples. It is their land not Israel's or the U.S.'s or the U.K.'s land to do with what they please.

They desperately want a stable peace on their terms and for the occupiers to get out, and get out permanently.


I'm curious, what is considered a realistic peace on their terms?  Is it a Middle East without Israel, or a world under Sharia law?

This has been going on for thousands of years.  It's not likely to end any time soon.
#59
(10-30-2025, 10:12 AM)Roma Wrote: I'm curious, what is considered a realistic peace on their terms?  Is it a Middle East without Israel, or a world under Sharia law?

This has been going on for thousands of years.  It's not likely to end any time soon.

Palestinians don't speak for the entire Middle East, they speak for themselves, their own land.

It will never end without a two state solution and the colonizers high tail it out of there and make do with their own resources.
"The only journey is the one within."
#60
The modern state of Israel was formed in 1948, however Jews have settled in that region as far back as the Roman and Babylonian times.  They've been there thousands of years.  I don't understand why they're considered colonizers.

No easy solution to this problem.



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