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#11
(03-08-2026, 06:21 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Humans are violent by nature.


Nope, not all humans.

We are as different as our fingerprint.
Evil Will Never Win.
 
#12
(03-08-2026, 08:11 AM)LightAngel Wrote: Nope, not all humans.

We are as different as our fingerprint.



Eh. That be true. But I contend we are rather sexy, violent little beasts by nature.

meanwhile, our technology is surpassing our humanity.

$ for fighter jets, bake sales for arts and music and all that jazz….
#13
(03-08-2026, 06:32 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Yeah, but it's a preferable lie.

Humans lie to one another constantly just as a matter of fact 

We tend to prioritise harmony or advantage over strict truths.



Not always.

I don't even like white lies, I have told a few white lies in the past because I didn't want to hurt somebody I love, but I have learned that you can always tell the truth if you do it in a positive way without hurting anybody.

And sometimes silence is golden.
Evil Will Never Win.
 
#14
(03-08-2026, 08:11 AM)LightAngel Wrote: Nope, not all humans.

We are as different as our fingerprint.

And yet more similar than different on a lot of levels. 

Keeping in mind that "violence" can include very small things.

Name one human in recorded history who has not displayed violence of some sort? 

Violence is part and parcel of our very human condition.

Take away violence, and there goes competition.

So bye-bye progress and curiosity.

Hello stagnation and apathy.

We can't adapt and overcome, if we can't crush, kill, and destroy.

We are what we are LighAngel.

Not that there is no room for improvement.  
Quote:What a piece of work is man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, in form and moving, how express and admirable in action; how like an angel in apprehension, how like a god! Bill Shakespear
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#15
(03-08-2026, 08:18 AM)LightAngel Wrote: Not always.

I don't even like white lies, I have told a few white lies in the past because I didn't want to hurt somebody I love, but I have learned that you can always tell the truth if you do it in a positive way without hurting anybody.

And sometimes silence is golden.

Of course not always, else how would we ever get anything done? 

Those little white lies help our world to spin.

It's just how we are built. 

Being totally candid simply doesn't work all the time.

As to the "sometimes silence is golden" part, hell yeah.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#16
(03-08-2026, 08:28 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Violence is part and parcel of our very human condition.


That should have stopped centuries ago.  Lol

Humanity is an experiment.
Evil Will Never Win.
 
#17
(03-08-2026, 08:46 AM)LightAngel Wrote: That should have stopped centuries ago.  Lol

Humanity is an experiment.

Thumbup

Hopefully not of the futile sorts.

And shoulda woulda coulda.

But if humanity is an experiment, what's consciousness?

What role does that play in our inquiry?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#18
(03-08-2026, 08:18 AM)LightAngel Wrote: Not always.

I don't even like white lies, I have told a few white lies in the past because I didn't want to hurt somebody I love, but I have learned that you can always tell the truth if you do it in a positive way without hurting anybody.

And sometimes silence is golden.



Interesting and I agree regarding the truth.
It does indeed set you free.
True freedom, not man made.

Imperfect humans (every human ever) cannot make perfect things.
As an example, truth-seeking AI models will outperform ideologically biased ones, and they can never be perfect either.
#19
(03-08-2026, 08:59 AM)Vermilion Wrote: Imperfect humans (every human ever) cannot make perfect things.

Thumbup

That.

Nor do they desire such, no matter what they may claim. 

We don't seek a utopia.

And should we ever find out what one looks like?

Well, careful what we wish for.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#20
(03-08-2026, 08:52 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Thumbup

Hopefully not of the futile sorts.

And shoulda woulda coulda.

But if humanity is an experiment, what's consciousness?

What role does that play in our inquiry?



If we can't solve our problems with intelligence, then we are failing to use the very qualities that make us human.
Evil Will Never Win.