Exposing Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking empire

[WallFlowerActive]

I offer no excuses or calls for special consideration for the OP's source...

But it is important to recognize that people living in that "world" of theirs can easily be used
to implicate themselves and render themselves "inert" as a complainant.  It is a "tried and true"
method long-used by Banks and Royalty... it is how you "control."

A lot of people who were complicit were compelled... it is not an excuse... but it is a factor.

Where do you think the trope "I was just following orders." comes from?

When caught lots of people play the victim card.  

My mom worked as a nurse in the prison system, almost all the inmates claimed to be innocent and / or a victim.  Mom only gave one account of one person owning up to their crimes.  A hitman with at least 10 confirmed kills.  It was just a business to them.

[Oldcarpy2]

Context of what I posted…

 


 


 Do you have anything other than innuendo?

OK.  Epstein was entirely innocent?

Happy now?

[WallFlowerActive]

OK.  Epstein was entirely innocent?

Happy now?

Not for the victims.  But unfortunately there is a bar that all have to pass before bringing any arrest or case to the court.  Not the innuendo of a conspiracy site.  Or the involved law departments not only drop the ball, but open themselves up to lawsuits.

The Epstein case has gone through, what?  Three or four different presidential administrations.  With two or three different state justice departments involved.    With the daughter of an FBI director as one of the prosecutors against Epstein?

Maurene Comey, prosecutor in Epstein and Combs cases and daughter of former FBI director, sues after being fired

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/politics/...nt-lawsuit

I don’t think Comey’s daughter and that group / community would have passed up any evidence linking Trump with a crime.  Why would they?

[Maxmars]

When caught lots of people play the victim card.  

My mom worked as a nurse in the prison system, almost all the inmates claimed to be innocent and / or a victim.  Mom only gave one account of one person owning up to their crimes.  A hitman with at least 10 confirmed kills.  It was just a business to them.

Yes and not arguing otherwise...

But would you as a young adult, be strong enough to damn yourself to the people who practically own you, creating a hellish landscape of disapproval and angst; trapped within their mandates?  Would I really choose to live in teen hell or just convince a few pretty friends to "check it out" under their watchful eye?

I'd like to think I would never acquiesce... I want to be the heroic resister... the valiant martyr...
but somehow... at the ages of 10 to 15.... I didn't often feel that way....

Sad... tragic... and frankly evil... the 'world' they created for their slaves...  and the deliberate selections,
they made... kids plucked from one world... and slipped into an oubliette... a special oubliette... just for sexual "produce."

There is so much wrong there... I can't believe we allowed the media to turn it into "political" playtime.

That tactic actually HELPED the pedophile ring...
it must be real important to them.....

After all, the media reported that whole Pizzagate thing was just an elaborate hoax, or a sick invention of a twisted thinker... right? 

Remember the aspersion to the sick minds who would ever think such a thing could ever happen... especially not among the "most virtuous" superstar celebrity politicians they promote,... right? 
It's the messenger that's evil.... that's the ticket!

Now a corroboration message is out.... she must be evil too... right?

We have an issue... Epstein is just some "shit that stuck" when thrown against the wall....

There have been numerous "mega" sick things embedded in the "social" club....  We have all heard about them... well before Epstein.   But now the camouflage returns.... political theater...

And the victims are still out  there.... being consumed like a porn toy, recyclable as organs,.... along with more full-time slavery than anyone will talk about....

It's all connected... all  of it.

[WallFlowerActive]

Yes and not arguing otherwise...

But would you as a young adult, be strong enough to damn yourself to the people who practically own you,

I wouldn’t let anyone owe me.  And would look to escape with any given freedom.


How about instead of grandstanding, address what was actually brought up..

Here what Carolyn Andriano had to say about Virginia…
"I don't think she was coerced into doing anything," and
“I don't think she deserves any compensation.”

Now address what was actually brought up.  And prove Carolyn Andriano is wrong.  Added.. If you think the statement is erroneous by an Epstein victim.

Added Added.  Mom was pretty smart and a nurse all her adult lives.  It would make mom sick to see the prison psychologists fawn over the inmates that would tell the prison psychologists what they wanted to hear.  Inmates know how to play the system.

[cherokeetroy]

I don’t think it was ever under the radar..

Look at the off-color jokes about priests and certain teachers for years.  

And it’s been fought and the fight is still ongoing. It never really stops.  

Everyone in my school, we knew who the creepy teachers were with multiple accounts of the same instances.  But being creepy isn’t a crime in itself.  

Then convincing a jury in a court of law is different with a higher bar.  
 

What is the truth with Epstein, what would actually get a conviction with a jury, and how much of the Epstein “case” is a political football to character assassinate political opponents.

I think this is a pretty accurate description of corruption falling under the radar:

"Dare you to look up state by state, school district by school district the crap they hide.  With the teachers union trying to run cover.   This is as big if not bigger than the Catholic Church sex scandal. Mainly because it’s ongoing with little effort to protect children.  Added.  With great effort to protect the school districts from having to pay settlements and protecting the teachers union imagine."


There's always been off-color jokes and rumors. 
There's endless rumors and circumstantial evidence pointing at 3 letter agencies running trafficking rings as well but it's meaningless if there's no accountability 

Both political parties weaponize every issue against each other. That's the nature of politics.
I don't think that's a good enough reason to back off of the Epstein case

People from both sides--Democrat and Republican are implicated 

Anyone still arguing against transparency is doing it out of loyalty to their own party because they want to protect their own political leaders from scrutiny 

​​​​​​​That's just wrong

[Maxmars]

I wouldn’t let anyone owe me.  And would look to escape with any given freedom.


How about instead of grandstanding, address what was actually brought up..


Now address what was actually brought up.  And prove Carolyn Andriano is wrong.

Are you saying I am posturing some how?

Yes... clearly you would have been the pebble to begin the avalanche of their end...
(Whose posturing now?)

Do it... end their tortuous impact on whoever they can exploit.  Please.

Why would I prove any allegation at all here?
What contention is it that you are married to?

Andriano is a hero and everyone else is lying?
That could very well be true...

But I don't sweat "competing narratives" between people who are "selling" allegations.

That's actually why I invite dialogue... rather than silence, or reject it.

[WallFlowerActive]

Are you saying I am posturing some how?

Yes... clearly you would have been the pebble to begin the avalanche of their end...
(Whose posturing now?)

Do it... end their tortuous impact on whoever they can exploit.  Please.

Why would I prove any allegation at all here?
What contention is it that you are married to?

Andriano is a hero and everyone else is lying?
That could very well be true...

But I don't sweat "competing narratives" between people who are "selling" allegations.

That's actually why I invite dialogue... rather than silence, or reject it.

A bunch of innuendo and rambling for what?

[LightAngel]

As some would love to prop up Virginia Guiffre as some sort of hero, please recall that other Epstein Victims said it was Virginia who had actually "trafficked" them.

Here what Carolyn Andriano had to say about Virginia…
"I don't think she was coerced into doing anything," and
“I don't think she deserves any compensation.”

Most here have probably never heard of Carolyn Andriano.
She was 14 when Epstein got his hands on her.
Guess who recruited her for Epstein.
Virginia Guiffre.

Many true victims of Epstein and Maxwell.
Virginia Guiffre was not one of them.

Virginia Giuffre said they forced her to recruit other vulnerable girls and gave her drugs to keep her compliant.

She described it as a living hell, where fear, manipulation, and threats kept her trapped!

Maxwell allegedly taught her how to approach girls (especially those who were broken), and Virginia felt she had no choice but to obey.

You would know this if you had listened to the video I posted. 

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Virginia Giuffre said they forced her to recruit other vulnerable girls and gave her drugs to keep her compliant.

She described it as a living hell, where fear, manipulation, and threats kept her trapped!

Maxwell allegedly taught her how to approach girls (especially those who were broken), and Virginia felt she had no choice but to obey.

You would know this if you had listened to the video I posted. 

I couldn't watch that video, as soon as she mentioned being abused at eleven, I switched it off.

God love her. At least she found a bit of freedom from that life before she died.