Eugenics

[Sirius]

I have to admit ignorance, I thought "selective breeding" was selective breeding...
and "eugenics" is a doctrinal document explaining the righteousness of why
humans should conform to that paradigm.

We are stewards of animals...
but I cannot consent to be "managed"
by any ideology... and eugenics breeds random exclusion...
Eugenicists see human birth as a deficit.
How detached must one be to create a single gestalt for all human existence... We are cattle? (Sparta... much?)

Sorry, that might read as unkind... it is not so intended.
That's me trying to be funny...
I know... fail.

Apologies, I didn't take this into account " doctrinal document explaining the righteousness"

Mostly I was just irritated by this statement.

Has anyone considered that the transgender medical procedures as a form of eugenics? Eliminate the transgenders by giving them what they want before they reproduce. Sterilizing those that want it without explaining what is actually going on.

Eliminate the transgenders...pisses me of to some degree, it's people not "the transgenders"

[Karl12]

I feel a sense of wires being crossed here. As if I'm talking about religion whilst you're actually talking about the church.

Maybe they are and maybe I am mate - am all for clarification.

Am specifically referring to the Fabian 'anti-humanist' aspects put forth by the British /American adoption of the subject pre WW2; the silly and dangerous idea of 'dysgenic germ plasms'; useless eaters, human weeds; forced sterilisations, forced abortions, forced euthanasia; forced population control; banning the hippocratic oath, death panels, mass exterminator in 'humane' gas chambers (to classical music) etc.

Plenty of utterly outrageous, completely unhinged unscientific 'beliefs' found in the annals of the American Eugenics (and British Fabian) societies and probably no coincidence that the majority of the folks involved were also Malthusian cultists.

Maybe I am more leaning towards the 'church' rather than the 'religion' mate and I salute you for pointing it out - the way I've always seen it 'eugenics' is a truly poisonous ideology (and I do understand that folks have always understood good breeding) - the church rather than the religion actually does exist though and the behaviour of the practitioners has resulted in so much horrific evil due to the pseudoscientific belief in an imaginary 'lesser human' that is an extremely reviled one all around the globe (and I'd say rightfully so).

Cheers.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Eliminate the transgenders...pisses me of to some degree, it's people not "the transgenders"

I feel the same way. I just brought it up that way because some people don't consider them as people. They would consider removing them as a good thing even if it takes a while to happen. It is worth considering that some support the procedures for elimination purposes.

I am sorry if I have upset you but I have met a few people that feel that way. Thankfully, most are not bothered enough to hate anymore.

[Kwaka]

Eugenics is just a word

In starting this thread, trying to come to terms with the covid situation. How it started, the psyop campaign and subsequent bad medicine. Doing more bad than good from this perspective, yet the band plays on. A lot of the usual character do show up with the Eugenics movement, Bill Gates father was into it.

Perhaps there is a better word for it than just eugenics? Mass Psychosis is a part of it too round up the herd using ignorance and fear. The covid culling? Another black mark on a planet riddled with them.

With how intense the transgenderism has gone, looks like a state sanctioned IQ test for who gets sterilized.

[Karl12]

In starting this thread, trying to come to terms with the covid situation. How it started, the psyop campaign and subsequent bad medicine. Doing more bad than good from this perspective, yet the band plays on. A lot of the usual character do show up with the Eugenics movement, Bill Gates father was into it.

Well said mate and you'd better believe Bill Gates father was into it - he was also Co-chair of the Gates Foundation right up to his death (concentrating specifically on its long term goals and strategic vision).

Don't know if anyone has looked into this (because it truly turns the stomach) but this was inarguably a direct result of eugenic policy in Germany (funded by the Rockefellers).



https://disabilityhistory.org/2021/12/29...1920-1950/



Without sounding emotional this was just the very beginning and is truly evil shit.

[vonclod]

Nazi-ism isn't a philosophy... Pol Pot's culling of a quarter of the Khmer Rouge's population... NOT a philosophy...
at least in my opinion, philosophies aren't "about" the value of destroying life in bulk... for an outcome which is only meaningful 'philosophically.'

In fact, no other "philosophy" known to man calls for the blanket elimination of human life which does not meet "our philosophically conceived standard."

Personally, I think eugenics is a 'cover' for a more sinister and cynical outlook about the value of human life.

Those things were ideologies, the worst mankind has to offer. I had a friend who escaped Cambodia with some of his family, to hear him talk about starving, and some of the other things they had experienced and seen..chilling. Best I could do is understand, no way I could truly relate to their experiences.

[Maxmars]

My intent was to illustrate that Eugenics in only called a philosophy out of convention.
I argue that Eugenics is an ideology...
if you don't fit a eugenic standard, you're not human... allowing you to "live" is a "bad" thing.

Sorry if I seem intransigent... I just can't accept the expressed aims of eugenics in
any other terms than 'death-cult' at the moment.

Is there a version of eugenics where one human being isn't 'deciding'
to kill another human being?

[vonclod]

My intent was to illustrate that Eugenics in only called a philosophy out of convention.
I argue that Eugenics is an ideology...
if you don't fit a eugenic standard, you're not human... allowing you to "live" is a "bad" thing.

Sorry if I seem intransigent... I just can't accept the expressed aims of eugenics in
any other terms than 'death-cult' at the moment.

Is there a version of eugenics where one human being isn't 'deciding'
to kill another human being?

Oh, I agree, it much more fits "ideology" than philosophy.

Even if it's not about outright killing, it's about a group saying/trying to quantify they are superior to another group, and of course has been taken to extremes.

[Karl12]

But I recall seeing many academician's teach curricula about eugenics... even just as a relic-movement, of little interest and consequence... 

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Quackademia pseudoscience eugenics is about monied family funding - looks like literally nothing else when one actually follows the money (which no-one dares to do these days by the way).

[Maxmars]

I question the overall notion that we should extend freedom to metricize the 'valuation' of life.

It is pertinent to "tabulated" management...

Humans, once curated and compartmented as cattle, will live "as" cattle...
So who are the shepherds?

Don't suggest voting for them... it's been tried.