Eugenics

[Maxmars]

But I recall seeing many academician's teach curricula about eugenics... even just as a relic-movement, of little interest and consequence... 

Much to my amusement and dismay - as we know 'narrative,' is their domain (captive audience.)

Needless to ask, they 'teach'... they never 'do?'  (Ahem.)

Not sure if an emoji is in order there....

[TzarChasm]

Eugenics is the philosophy of selective reproduction, using the principles of evolution to optimize certain aspects of the population on national scale or cultivating the lineage on domestic scale. Most will automatically lump it together with ethnic supremacy and genocide. This assumes several things, that eugenics means decimating the population by force, that eugenics is a federal mandate and not individual liberty, and that it's not a right of the individual to choose their partner as their reproductive criteria demands for the purposes of building a family. It's rather more complicated than saying "eugenics = Nazis" which is simple enough and summarizes the evils of the subject very nicely.

[Maxmars]

Eugenics is the philosophy of selective reproduction, using the principles of evolution to optimize certain aspects of the population on national scale or cultivating the lineage on domestic scale. Most will automatically lump it together with ethnic supremacy and genocide. This assumes several things, that eugenics means decimating the population by force, that eugenics is a federal mandate and not individual liberty, and that it's not a right of the individual to choose their partner as their reproductive criteria demands for the purposes of building a family. It's rather more complicated than saying "eugenics = Nazis" which is simple enough and summarizes the evils of the subject very nicely.

Not meant as 'talking to you specifically' but I might respond...

While I generally respect the intelligentsia about this topic, I also often defer to their prestige on the matter...

but

Isn't the application of eugenics, by definition and specificity, to remove the "choice" and "opportunity" that gave humans explosive success,
now claiming it's holding us back?...

Unless by "us" you mean something else?

If Eugenics is deemed a philosophy... I know less than I should, I suppose.

[TzarChasm]

Not meant as 'talking to you specifically' but I might respond...

While I generally respect the intelligentsia about this topic, I also often defer to their prestige on the matter...

but

Isn't the application of eugenics, by definition and specificity, to remove the "choice" and "opportunity" that gave humans explosive success,
now claiming it's holding us back?...

Unless by "us" you mean something else?

If Eugenics is deemed a philosophy... I know less than I should, I suppose.

You're circling the problem I mentioned before. Eugenics and fascism are intrinsically linked, due to fascism infamously utilizing the philosophy as a mandate rather than individual discretion. By your logic, any choice is by definition discrimination and can be scrutinized to diagnose any number of "isms" that impugn the person. How does liberty function if we're not permitted preference and thus opportunity to pursue optimal matches for our procreation. Might as well just marry the first person you find on tinder and hope for the best, unless you want to be labeled. Typically eugenics is applied on a national scale because it's an effort to refine the population, but again this doesn't automatically mean genocide or any kind of violence, it just means people actively seek a particular "flavor" that serves the interests of their progeny. It could be racist or it could be a simple matter of "I don't want heart disease, diabetes, addiction or autism to affect the next generation of my bloodline".

I don't advocate eugenics, for the record. I just think people look at it as black and white (in some cases quite literally) and it's not.

[Maxmars]

Thank you.

I had always thought about eugenics in terms of intentional human death... pragmatically speaking.

And was often irritated when the activism turns to speaking affirmatively about the cultivation of "human life."

Personally,  in the context of a "philosophy"... Eugenics loses me at "Hello."

[Kwaka]

Eugenics is the philosophy of selective reproduction, using the principles of evolution to optimize certain aspects of the population on national scale or cultivating the lineage on domestic scale.

War by other means as one culture goes up against another. Trying to get my head around just what people like Bill Gates are thinking. With the results so far, indigenous communities got hit hard.  Is there something more about the ACE2 receptor when it comes to thinning the herd? Just how much was known about the spike protein? Some of the patents and research around it goes back 30+ years. For the intention release case, It would of been tuned for what they where looking for.

From working on the farms, get to see the difference overcrowding makes. The animals do become more competitive and hostile as resources decline. As social creatures, they sort their things out. It is common for most cultures to sort their own mess out. When they don't, things escalate as it becomes a problem for other cultures to sort out.

Nature has many ways to sort things out, The diversity that man has thrown in the mix does make it a crazy world at times.

[Kwaka]

How does liberty function if we're not permitted preference and thus opportunity to pursue optimal matches for our procreation.

Lots of people specialized in breading all kinds of things. As for where the line is, treat people as you would want to be treated.

Maybe I would signup to medical experiment in some situations. If all the medical data will be deleted and hit with suppression orders, sounds like a job by the Shonky Brothers.

[Karl12]

It's rather more complicated than saying "eugenics = Nazis" which is simple enough and summarizes the evils of the subject very nicely.

Yes indeed mate, started with the (curiously interbred) Galton-Darwin-Wedgwood clan then popped over to America where the Rockefellers were gushing over it.. they then funded Mengele's 'institute' and viola - absolute man made horrors beyond comprehension.

Fabians and Rockefellers are still in the game on this (now called crypto-eugenics) which is rather disturbing as the human population count is dropping off a cliff and the Rockefellers were discussing in their meetings (as far back as the 1960's) about putting covert human sterilants into vaccines.

Gates is also a Rockefeller lol.



https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Overpop...Malthusian

Cheers.

[Ray1990]

Personally,  in the context of a "philosophy"... Eugenics loses me at "Hello."

Why?

It was given a bad name by so called intellectuals of the last century but as a philosophy it's been around for ever. Animal husbandry...

Dr's still highly discourage certain people from breeding but thankfully nobody has the right to stop reproduction, for humans anyway. But yeah, inbreeding shouldn't be happening, babies shouldn't be born with HIV, we probably should have licenses to breed too.

[Karl12]

Why?

It was given a bad name by so called intellectuals of the last century but as a philosophy it's been around for ever. Animal husbandry...

Dr's still highly discourage certain people from breeding but thankfully nobody has the right to stop reproduction, for humans anyway. But yeah, inbreeding shouldn't be happening, babies shouldn't be born with HIV, we probably should have licenses to breed too.

Mate the families that initially came up with 'germ plasm' idea were initially interbred - go figure.

Is there anything you inherently disagree with in this video?

Anthropology is the absolute opposite of 'eugenics' and check out Fabian death panels and things like Aktion T4 program if you disagree.


https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Nazi-Eu...=Bioethics

Cheers.