End this shutdown!

[RichardHurt]

Amen. Same thing with education, really.

If a state or locality wants to impose taxes and force contributions, they can—because sane people are free to move away. Trying to mandate such things for the entire country is tyranny.

States should be able to run their economy as they see fit. And if someone doesn't like it then they can move.
But we are in this position now because of what body of government?

[Maxmars]

I find myself sort of amused...

I recently witnessed a spate of "reporting" touting the humanitarian efforts being made by state-level authorities to mitigate the shutdown effects on the needy and indigent.... creatively "moving funds" ...

thus reaping virtue currency while causing the distress in the first place.   Who wins?

[RichardHurt]

The only group winning in this scenario are those in front of cameras talking and being paid simultaneously.
This problem of fabricated debt through a government "company town" that seemingly most are ok with will be the demise of what we currently are comfortable with.
At some point the bad thing will happen.
When that happens all this will be seemingly insignificant compared to the new reality. But chances are the process will repeat.

 

[Vermilion]

I find myself sort of amused...

I recently witnessed a spate of "reporting" touting the humanitarian efforts being made by state-level authorities to mitigate the shutdown effects on the needy and indigent.... creatively "moving funds" ...

thus reaping virtue currency while causing the distress in the first place.   Who wins?

It’s been happening for decades with the democrats.

1)Create a problem via incompetence, climate change, grift, DEI, socialism, dependency on government, identity politics, suicidal empathy, etc.

2)Announce they have a solution and need more money to “fix it”.

3)Profit. Use that virtue currency to keep their people voting for them because “feelings over facts”.

This is exactly what’s going on, again, with this shutdown.
This time it seems more people are getting wise to it.

[RichardHurt]

It’s been happening for decades with the democrats.

1)Create a problem via incompetence, climate change, grift, DEI, socialism, dependency on government, identity politics, suicidal empathy, etc.

2)Announce they have a solution and need more money to “fix it”.

3)Profit. Use that virtue currency to keep their people voting for them because “feelings over facts”.

This is exactly what’s going on, again, with this shutdown.
This time it seems more people are getting wise to it.

I personally find your excuses to be nothing more than excuses to blame one pert or the other.
I'm not going to explain to you how all three problems are fabricated problems created for numerous reasons by both. They do it in such a way to help the lapdog media pundit work force to feed false information.
I challenge you to take a strong look at what has happened to the middle class over the past 59 years and what policies directly affected the well being of them.
What you will find will confuse and maybe even enlighten you.
But as of right now this idea of blaming one or the other is just not helping.
Do you think that one person can fix it all by being the highest authority in the land?
I have found doing much research that when that happens the people will always be the ones that feel the pain.
So what makes your perspective much better than others when in the real world both do not help.
I would love to read a comprehensive breakdown of your beliefs.

[RichardHurt]

I'm sorry Miss, this is a Wendy's American politics.

Explain this idea of a "American politics"? Is it not what a free market state is and how this could have been the best idea if used properly since it's original conception?
I find myself under the impression that you have some misguided beliefs that not having state rights have some how been helpful?
Just askin

If my way of asking a question is seemingly odd then I'll simplify 
Why is it that you are find it amusing that funding by the federal government is somehow better managed them by the state local constituents?
To me you seem complaisant in allowing the big amazing government being allowed such complete government controlled investors to be the people in charge?
You are a smart man. Show me how big tech are not the ones pulling the strings financially?

[UltraBudgie]

Explain this idea of a "American politics"? Is it not what a free market state is and how this could have been the best idea if used properly since it's original conception?
I find myself under the impression that you have some misguided beliefs that not having state rights have some how been helpful?
Just askin

If my way of asking a question is seemingly odd then I'll simplify 
Why is it that you are find it amusing that funding by the federal government is somehow better managed them by the state local constituents?
To me you seem complaisant in allowing the big amazing government being allowed such complete government controlled investors to be the people in charge?
You are a smart man. Show me how big tech are not the ones pulling the strings financially?

Don't try and butter my biscuit.

I was mocking the idea that the Republicans are somehow being "dishonourable". And as if accusations like that actually have any moral weight in American politics, other than PR value with very stupid people.

Annee said that the Republicans should "back down". Because the Republican majority has tried to pass a budget, and the Dems have blocked it. They have then tried to pass a clean continuing resolution, to keep the government open, and the Dems have blocked it. Even with a majority in both House and Senate, that's not enough, because Dems block it with a filibuster in the Senate every time, and it requires a 60-vote "supermajority" to override that.

They're clearly playing games, harming Americans, because they think they can make the Republicans look like the "baddies". They haven't realized yet that actual Republicans don't give a rat's ass any more about whether they get called Nazis or heartless or dishonourable or whatever because they know it's all just manipulation, manipulation that will never end as long as they keep bowing to the gaslighting.

So fuck that, fuck them, and also fuck any welfare parasites who think they're entitled to a never-ending government handout as a "right". The Dems clearly don't give a shit about them either, or the honest or truly needy people that depend on the government; they're getting caught in the crossfire. So go ahead and shut the government down. Actual honourable people will do their best to help with charity and local support, while the Democrat party leaders go on CNN and talk smug to their leftest thralls. No one cares about their little blame-casting circle jerk anymore, they can whinge that "it's Republican's turn to step aside" all they want, because the fact is they've been booted aside by a nationalistic America-first majority with a strong authoritarian leader, and are now irrelevant except as an occasional obstruction.

(The rest of your questions, which I will forgive for being somewhat of a gish-gallop of incoherence due to your obvious enthusiasm, require thread-derailing forays into political theory. Suffice it, perhaps, in this context to say that while I do believe in bottom-up governmental power, from the people to the localities to the states to the national, within a strict Constitutional framework, I also believe that the system we have now represents a concentration of power, and that such concentrations of power never cede or allow themselves to be changed by anything inferior. I believe that a strong national unity effecting social, cultural, and political coherence is the only possible source of such emergent power and change. Plus, it's what's best for America.)

[RazorV66]

It’s a pattern I’ve noticed. 

The Dems are always expected to step down. 

You do know you are very Right leaning partisan — right?

How about the Reps do the honorable thing this time and step down.

Republicans should step down from what?

Wanting the government to open back up so people can get their paychecks and government benefits?

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[RichardHurt]

Don't try and butter my biscuit.

I was mocking the idea that the Republicans are somehow being "dishonourable". And as if accusations like that actually have any moral weight in American politics, other than PR value with very stupid people.

Annee said that the Republicans should "back down". Because the Republican majority has tried to pass a budget, and the Dems have blocked it. They have then tried to pass a clean continuing resolution, to keep the government open, and the Dems have blocked it. Even with a majority in both House and Senate, that's not enough, because Dems block it with a filibuster in the Senate every time, and it requires a 60-vote "supermajority" to override that.

They're clearly playing games, harming Americans, because they think they can make the Republicans look like the "baddies". They haven't realized yet that actual Republicans don't give a rat's ass any more about whether they get called Nazis or heartless or dishonourable or whatever because they know it's all just manipulation, manipulation that will never end as long as they keep bowing to the gaslighting.

So fuck that, fuck them, and also fuck any welfare parasites who think they're entitled to a never-ending government handout as a "right". The Dems clearly don't give a shit about them either, or the honest or truly needy people that depend on the government; they're getting caught in the crossfire. So go ahead and shut the government down. Actual honourable people will do their best to help with charity and local support, while the Democrat party leaders go on CNN and talk smug to their leftest thralls. No one cares about their little blame-casting circle jerk anymore, they can whinge that "it's Republican's turn to step aside" all they want, because the fact is they've been booted aside by a nationalistic America-first majority with a strong authoritarian leader, and are now irrelevant except as an occasional obstruction.

(The rest of your questions, which I will forgive for being somewhat of a gish-gallop of incoherence due to your obvious enthusiasm, require thread-derailing forays into political theory. Suffice it, perhaps, in this context to say that while I do believe in bottom-up governmental power, from the people to the localities to the states to the national, within a strict Constitutional framework, I also believe that the system we have now represents a concentration of power, and that such concentrations of power never cede or allow themselves to be changed by anything inferior. I believe that a strong national unity effecting social, cultural, and political coherence is the only possible source of such emergent power and change. Plus, it's what's best for America.)

Yes

You have a very clear picture and understanding and willingness to comprehend matters as a whole instead of how the big baddie government wants....I think.

I truly do appreciate your honesty.
Your opinion in my opinion is worth noting on DI and I would like to think all can look at things objectively such as yourself.
Happy Halloween and all that, and be safe.

[ANNEE]

Annee said that the Republicans should "back down". 

That is not what I said. 

I said: “Why does one side and not the other need to step down?”

Then: “Why are the Dems always expected to step down?”

Which is true — at least on this site. 

Then — that I needed to go read elsewhere for an unbiased opinion.