Do you know dream states?

[UltraBudgie]

i think i will just post comics



oh and



and now i'm thinking about "value" and "gain", and what they mean in a non-egocentric context. the self, the ego, the bottle of individuated consciousness that dreams hint that we can escape or are more than. perhaps the gain and value is not the self bringing more to into its purview - more knowledge, more "understanding" moving into the bottle. maybe the true gain and value (if one can still use those words in a context in which they become meaningless) is moving the other direction, growing the self to exist as stably outside that illusory bottle as within. one thinks, surely that way madness lies. but does it? usually. but must it?

as mentioned above, beware woo. of course. but does that mean eschew woo? if woo is the anthesis of science and reason and intrinsically poisonous to the self, then yes. but if woo is rather a frontier or area to grow into, then no. i guess the "ignorance to deny" is pretending any of have a definitive answer to that question, rather than a mere pragmatic practice necessary to the known functioning of our egos.

also, i'm not sure i like chatgpt. it seems um i dunno how to describe it bloodless?

[Sirius]

Quintessence has probably given you the best answer here regarding the dream state....

"Well, psychology tells us that dreams are our subconscious trying to tell our conscious something, usually that which has been tucked away into the dark recesses of our mind so we can forget it or not ever have to deal with it (perhaps to protect our mental health). What that something is we all have to try and figure out, or self-analysis, self-awareness and to end denial, or seek professional help to figure it out, or just leave it there never to be shown the light of day."

On Deny Ignorance I should accept the answer from the first post and look towards psychology?
 

All the rest is valueless nonsense. Tell me what is to be gained from 'astral projection' or 'lucid dreaming' ? The above paragraph at least has some value where something might be gained. Personal growth, insight and dare I say it transformation is possible but that is not enough for the likes of you. You want more.

Not really sure what you mean by the "the likes of you?" at least give me a label. I hope one day you find something that changes your mind from all religion being valueless nonsense.
 

I'm an old sort of Jungian and no hard headed pragmatist, lest you think so. I could expand on that first paragraph as there are reasons why Jung is called a mystic but why should I? This site is called 'Deny Ignorance' and yet it is full of it.

Protesting ignorance by propagating it is an interesting take.

[midicon]

Great replies from both of you!

Perhaps gain and value was a poor choice of words. Of what 'use' is astral projection and lucid dreaming, might have been more suited.

When I say 'the likes of you', I'm referring to those endless chasers who never settle on a path and by doing so never actually 'realise' what any path has to offer. The woo chasers.

I mentioned the first paragraph here as I saw something practical and beneficial...something useful. I am not implying that is all there is to dreams.

The rest is meaningless in the sense of usefulness. What will you be doing in the 'astral' other than projecting? Will you become wiser, somehow transformed? Of what use is lucid dreaming really, other than dreaming a fantasy?

I come across as cheeky or some such but I'm very honest. I once had a friendship with a Sufi spiritual teacher who believe it or not would grade his students on their dreams and interpretations thereof.

[Sirius]

There is a thread here, people equate dreams to mind rape. https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Are-any...ust-dreams

I astral project and look at my dreams and I see nonsense and think to myself this is not right.

I look towards the common body of knowledge and I see dreams are portrayed as a profound experience and a connection to our gods. You also can control it, what a thing!

And so I deny ignorance and instead take action to fill my mind with something beautiful and move towards being more. I can't get rid of the nonsense I'm bombarded with whole day long just living in modern society.  The only thing I can do is try and get something else in there and maybe tonight I will dream and walk about with gods instead of fucking cartoons.

[midicon]

There is a thread here, people equate dreams to mind rape. https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Are-any...ust-dreams

I astral project and look at my dreams and I see nonsense and think to myself this is not right.

I look towards the common body of knowledge and I see dreams are portrayed as a profound experience and a connection to our gods. You also can control it, what a thing!

And so I deny ignorance and instead take action to fill my mind with something beautiful and move towards being more. I can't get rid of the nonsense I'm bombarded with whole day long just living in modern society.  The only thing I can do is try and get something else in there and maybe tonight I will dream and walk about with gods instead of fucking cartoons.

This world is beautiful Sirius. More beautiful than the inner world.

[Sirius]

This world is beautiful Sirius. More beautiful than the inner world.

Thanks. You should post more.

[midicon]

Thanks. You should post more.

I thought I would pop back into this thread, just to clear up my mention of Psilocybin Sirius.

I did not intend to imply that taking it would lead into some sort of immediate dreamy trip or some such.

I was meaning that changes might be wrought that manifest over time, even after one dose.

That's all really.

[Sirius]

I thought I would pop back into this thread, just to clear up my mention of Psilocybin Sirius.

I did not intend to imply that taking it would lead into some sort of immediate dreamy trip or some such.

I was meaning that changes might be wrought that manifest over time, even after one dose.

That's all really.

Sorry didn't mean to ignore you.  I stay away form hard drugs and hallucinogens because I already go crazy without it.  Would love to have the experience but it's probably not for me.