Different take on Charlie Kirk

[quintessentone]

Go ahead and show me where I called someone a communist, I will wait. And I will be waiting a long time because I never did. 


It's not about offensive speech, I could care less what you call me. I don't have paper thin skin that you can get under. Offensive speech only exists if you let something offend you, words are just words.  It's about teaching an entire culture that those who have an opposing view are the devil and teaching them it's okay to silence that view.

My sincere apologies, I mixed you up with another member.

What do you think of that right leaning member here calling anyone that opposes their views as being a communist, when you yourself just posted that using that type of rhetoric can be the cause of violence. Does this member get a pass from you?

The murder of Kirk shows that words are not just words.

[UltraBudgie]

'communist', which can also be taken as offensive

What the hell? Communism is the best! If only the Capitalists and subverters would stop undermining it so we could actually get it to work!

[quintessentone]

What the hell? Communism is the best! If only the Capitalists and subverters would stop undermining it so we could actually get it to work!

Supposedly, none of the political ideologies work, as the great philosophers quipped on about how it doesn't work for them.

[PorkChop96]

My sincere apologies, I mixed you up with another member.

What do you think of that right leaning member here calling anyone that opposes their views as being a communist, when you yourself just posted that using that type of rhetoric can be the cause of violence. Does this member get a pass from you?

I cannot speak for other posters here as to what their intentions are in using certain terminology. 

There is also a difference in calling someone who acts like a communist, a communist, and calling someone who only speaks their beliefs a Nazi. If you were to take 2 people who hold the same beliefs, call one a pedophile and tell the other they like younger women, which one is going to be a little more aggravated at the speech used to incorrectly describe them? If you can't see that difference then you should probably rethink your bias. 
 

The murder of Kirk shows that words are not just words.

Words did not kill Kirk, an indoctrinated extremist killed Kirk.

[Kurokage]

Not like the left has not spent the last 8+ years calling the right Nazis, fascists, bigots, homophobes, and anything else they can to try and demonize those that have an opposing view to their own. They have been breeding a culture of "the right is the devil" and then are shocked when they have people believe it and act on that teaching.

To be honest, all I've seen you do in this thread is show your need to lay blame and how the political divide is controlling you. Many here claim they'd fight for free speech but I'm just not seeing it, It appears that it's only free when it's agreeable. Americans have always disagreed about politics, but it seems some in power want to stoke that till it burns everything down.

https://www.alternet.org/maga-trump-charlie-kirk/

'Something is wrong': MAGA pundits say Trump is 'lying to us' about Charlie Kirk shootingBulwark reporter Will Sommer wrote Monday that the MAGA media world was being "pulled apart" by conspiracies questioning the FBI's handling of Kirk's murder. Far-right podcast host Michael Savage suggested over the weekend that alleged killer Tyler Robinson was a patsy, doubting the government's claims that he disassembled the rifle used for the killing before jumping off of a rooftop, only to re-assemble it before abandoning the weapon (a firearms expert told NewsNation that it was indeed possible for the gunman to disassemble the weapon relatively quickly with the help of "after-market accessories.")
"Something is wrong with this whole f------ picture," Savage said. "We are not hearing or seeing reality ... We're supposed to believe a guy is on the run after killing Charlie Kirk, and he pauses in the woods to reinstall a barrel. And he leaves it there for us to find, for the FBI to find?"

[quintessentone]

I cannot speak for other posters here as to what their intentions are in using certain terminology. 

There is also a difference in calling someone who acts like a communist, a communist, and calling someone who only speaks their beliefs a Nazi. If you were to take 2 people who hold the same beliefs, call one a pedophile and tell the other they like younger women, which one is going to be a little more aggravated at the speech used to incorrectly describe them? If you can't see that difference then you should probably rethink your bias. 
 

Words did not kill Kirk, an indoctrinated extremist killed Kirk.

There is a distinct problem when a member here thinks political name calling and demonizing is okay and funny, while on the other hand blaming name calling for gun violence from others with opposite views as being the problem.

If you don't get that, that's fine, I'm done with trying to put forth a logical argument with you.

Kirk's words may have very well been the incitement needed for a deranged politically minded person (which the shooter's family said he was becoming more political) feeling that their freedoms were at risk and equating those words to fascism, take up arms and think he was fighting to protect his rights and the country against a fascist takeover. See how that might have worked?

[PorkChop96]

There is a distinct problem when a member here thinks political name calling and demonizing is okay and funny, while on the other hand blaming name calling for gun violence from others with opposite views as being the problem.

If you don't get that, that's fine, I'm done with trying to put forth a logical argument with you.

Political name calling and demonizing are two very distinct things from one another. 

Calling someone a communist is quite literally political name calling. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is quite literally demonizing. 

You ignore that but want to say I am the one lacking "logical arguments". Sure okay buddy

Kirk's words may have very well been the incitement needed for a deranged politically minded person (which the shooter's family said he was becoming more political) feeling that their freedoms were at risk and equating those words to fascism, take up arms and think he was fighting to protect his rights and the country against a fascist takeover. See how that might have worked?

By your logic, if I call someone a pedophile, they are allowed to kill me? You are so out of touch with reality. 

You are quite literally making the argument that this kid let politics convince him that the right are fascists, and using that as an excuse for him shooting Kirk. How do you not see that as demonizing?  They are literally doing the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s to the right and people like you have the nerve to call us the Nazis. You are labeling a group as the "problem" and there are those that are championing that "problem" getting killed. But, if you haven't noticed, the right was not celebrating those left lawmakers that got murdered in Minnesota. you should really take a step back and look at the bigger picture to see who the real demon in this country is.

[quintessentone]

Political name calling and demonizing are two very distinct things from one another. 

Calling someone a communist is quite literally political name calling. Calling someone a Nazi or fascist is quite literally demonizing. 

You ignore that but want to say I am the one lacking "logical arguments". Sure okay buddy

By your logic, if I call someone a pedophile, they are allowed to kill me? You are so out of touch with reality. 

You are quite literally making the argument that this kid let politics convince him that the right are fascists, and using that as an excuse for him shooting Kirk. How do you not see that as demonizing?  They are literally doing the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s to the right and people like you have the nerve to call us the Nazis. You are labeling a group as the "problem" and there are those that are championing that "problem" getting killed. But, if you haven't noticed, the right was not celebrating those left lawmakers that got murdered in Minnesota. you should really take a step back and look at the bigger picture to see who the real demon in this country is.

Your reply reeks of right wing apologetics and there is no difference in name calling when using political ideologies as insults to incite anger and perhaps violence. If you can't or won't acknowledge that, I now see where the problem lies.

[PorkChop96]

Your reply reeks of right wing apologetics and there is no difference in name calling when using political ideologies as insults to incite anger and perhaps violence. If you can't or won't acknowledge that, I now see where the problem lies.

Of course, you can't actually keep this debate going to so you throw your hands up and blame the other user for your lack of competency. Good job clown 
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[quintessentone]

Of course, you can't actually keep this debate going to so you throw your hands up and blame the other user for your lack of competency. Good job clown 

You won't be able to deflect from this one. Giving the right wing a pass to call others communists while demeaning the left calling the right fascists, is part of the problem. That is the true definition of a double standard.